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okay, i'm obligated to mention that the Zora's Ledge item can be reached with only boots

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the logic seems a little inconsistent

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it says i can get both items with gloves and boots glitchless, which is obviously wrong because glitchless expects flippers

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but it also says i can't get both items with only boots, which you can

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...is this even the right place? technically this is a bug report

If you pin the location you can see the two chests being separate and I think the logic is actually right there

another thing: aghanim 1 only appears if you check lamp, even though it should be yellow (as Eastern Palace is yellow if you have bow but not lamp)

Isn't that hyrule castle escape rather than aga 1?

aghanim 1 should appear on the map if you have at least 1 sword and one of cape or the master sword+

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it should be green if you also have the lamp

since we're talking about logic here...

17:09

Skull woods doesn't appear to require a sword, even though it does for mothula. If you add mitts, pearl and fire rod skull woods goes green

SW should only become green if you have a sword, yes

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ice palace should not become green unless you have the cane of somaria, as well

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because it is possible that logic may expect you to use it

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ice palace should be present if you have the fire rod and mitts, since you can fake flipper to it and use dungeon bunny revival to enter

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sorry emo, you're going to have to sort through all my glitch rambling later

logic may also require hookshot + cape/byrna

that's true too

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it can definitely require hookshot, and may require cape/byrna if it does not require hookshot

I doubt anyone is going to get too upset about losing 1 heart though

OHKO mode exists

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okay, here's another ridiculous nitpick

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Lake Hylia Island should become yellow if Aghanim 1 is defeated, you have flippers and mirror, but don't have moon pearl

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as you can use surfing bunny to acquire the item

turtle rock should require moon pearl

does it not

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wow

the tracker doesn't think so

wow okay

17:20

i guess the easiest way to test for stuff like that is to just run seeds

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sooo

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off i go

another thing: by logic, byrna spike cave requires Hammer && Power Glove && (Byrna Cape) && (Half Magic Bottle)

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there was a race seed in the past before this logic change that forced a nearly-impossible to complete spike cave

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you may want to update the tracker to reflect the logic

@Espeon The little location square on the map is a little bit interesting, in terms of which color it displays when there are mixed accessibilities. Thank you for the feedback on Zora, because it's a definitely an interesting behavioral decision, without a strictly correct answer. RE: Aga requiring lamp, that is getting fixed later tonight - lamp will be sequence breakable.

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With respect to things like OHKO mode and less common minor glitches, these are things that I'm expecting to improve support for over time. The tracker actually has the ability to download updated versions of the game packages, so as issues get resolved you will see updates to those within the tracker.

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Also, wrt Turtle Rock, lol

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That will get fixed tonight as well

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Does spike cave actually require one of half magic and the bottle? I know it requires byrna or cape, but not sure about the extra safeties...

It does require one of them so you are not forced to take damage in there

Interesting, good to know

@here I've just published a package update which... • Makes lamp sequence breakable for aga tower • Adds a sequence break option to Lake Hylia Island when you have aga1, mirror, and flippers • Properly adds the moon pearl to the requirements list for Turtle Rock (doh) • Properly adds a sword to the requirements for Mothula • Adds either Half Magic or a Bottle as sequence breakable requirements for Spike Cave Restart the tracker, and you should see a notification in the bottom right letting you know there is a package update available. You can double click that as a shortcut to open the Package Manager, and install the update. I just noticed a bug where the "Update Available" status is not clearing properly, but it will be correct the next time you start the tracker, and I will be looking into that issue. Thanks to @Espeon and @kraedy for raising these issues.

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pyramid fairy can be accessed either with hammer, with aga1 and mirror, or with boots and mitts (last one is a glitch)

@Espeon Let's migrate that to #core-bugs if you don't mind, as you and ozipone are pointing out some of the same stuff

I'm probably just being dense, but how do I actually use the overrides? I try changing things in them but the tracker doesn't update at all

Make sure you've saved your changes and then hit F5

Do I leave them in the EmoTracker\user_overrides\alttprando_v27_openmode_emosaru folder?

Yes

hmm not sure what's going on then...

It may be possible that you have errors in your overrides and are experiencing a silent failure. Try restarting the tracker to see if it loads successfully

I just tried to so something real simple for testing (swapped silvers and bow) and it doesn't update

Which file are you overriding? (edited)

broadcast_layout

broadcast_layout only affects the broadcast view (the window shown with F2)

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tracker_layout affects the tracker itself

19:21

They are intentionally separate

ahh well that explains it

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so, it was just me being dense

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thanks

No problem

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FYI, I just added a new specific channel for #customization-support , so any future customization questions can go there and the answers will be easier for people to find.

since you're here - another quick question. is there a way to make the map show all locations, even ones you can't get to yet?

Hit F11

Nice!

19:23

Is there a shortcut list somewhere?

Not yet - documentation is coming, but I've been sick and dealing with higher priority stuff.

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That said, it's short.

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F2 = Show Broadcast View, F5 = Reset Tracker, F6 = Reset Layout Only, F11 = Toggle all locations visible

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THat's it right now

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Everything else is on the UI

cool

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Well, thanks again. Very nice looking tracker. Gonna give it a whirl once I play with the customizations some more

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And thanks!

I want to see if I can make it crash by making it have 50 maps and 20 item grids

Crash? Probably not. Slow? Maybe,. Probably? Maybe.

oh

sadgrub

I'll be interested in your results tho, lol

Is there an option to change the background colour in Broadcast view?

EZ

G-Good! How do ;_;

Sent you all the stuffs

Ty!

anyone know how to start the tracker with custom pins?

20:38

if that's possible

can't yet

20:39

that was answered somewhere on this discord earlier

darn. okay

20:39

I saw the auto_pin_capturing_locations and thought there might be a way

emo really needs to make her planned feature list public at some point

It's coming, as soon as I'm not racing or working or dying

Question: What does the tracker mean when showing a name in red?

It means that section of the location is inaccessible based on your current items

was gonna say that but i retracted my typing to test and make sure

Logic error?

Image attachment

10:53

It's a hassel but you can finish boss by switching hook and hammer

Hmm

But even with full inventory it is shown as red

I have not seen that issue in my runs.

10:54

I will check the logic

Tight

10:54

Great tool though

not showing red on mine

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for argus

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with all items

10:57

also copied your item schema and it is white as well.. have you modified the package in anyway?

Nah

10:57

Maybe because I have both installed?

The items only tracker pack doesn’t affect the open pack

10:57

They’re isolated

10:58

Can you reset the tracker (F5) and try again?

10:58

I’m wondering if there’s a bug with clicking things in a particular order

Next try. New result

Image attachment

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SP shown in green on map though

What if you right click on the sword to go back to fighter?

Restartet and now "arrgus" back to red again mom

Hmmmmm

11:02

Okay I will test next time I am at my desk and free

Yeah no hurry.

11:04

One more clue. If I create Result 2 by refreshing and without any sword "Arrgus" White, left bar red

the left red bar is the location color

Needed 2 refreshs this time though

Left bar is red just because it’s a dungeon

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So they’re color coded that way

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Left bar has nothing to do with accessibility

Ah okay^^'

your first picture does seem off though since "arrgus" shouldn't show red

11:06

but the left of the pin should be red

Yeah, I’m very confused by that result, and I’ll look into it if I can reproduce it

i under stand why now emo

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i just did it

Love breaking stuff

if you click the crystal on the top it marks it in the pinned even if he doesn't have the items to do it

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but he must have found an item and forgot to mark it in the dungeon

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and later marked it

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in that case since he's done it doesn't seem to make arrgus white again

That should also not be the case

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It is true that you can ALWAYS mark anything on the item tracker

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Regardless of location access

for instance finding hookshot in SP then finishing it and marking the crrystal before the items

But the section should still be uodating

11:08

It doesn’t care or know about ordering for dungeons in that way

it does update the items box colors, however it doesn't update the boss's name color

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it also does it with TR if i do what i said

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finding for instance the ice rod on laser bridge

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if it's in that state and i unmark the crystal it does however update the color of the boss

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not sure what that entails in your code. but it seems once its been done it ignore updating that specific part.

So just to be clear, you are marking the crystal as acquired via the items area

Yeah

11:14

this locks the names state it seems

Okay, that is a definite bug, and I will look into fixing it tonight.

Nvm. hookshot is the badboy (edited)

just to be thorough, it also locks it on chests too. for instance putting the names yellow on TR by not having the fire rod still allows me to open all the chests. then once all chests are open and i mark fire rod the name stays yellow. (edited)

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if the state is white and i get rid of somaria while all chests are empty it stays white as well

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if i then right click on it with it white and it saying 0 left it goes to 1 then locks it red because i no longer have the items to check it and i can no longer reset the chests to 5

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i suspect they are all caused by the same thing though

Yeah, it's going to be an issue with computing the available item count, which figures into accessibility in a few ways

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I will fix it tonight

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Basically, you will not run into this issue if you track as you acquire things

sounds good just wanted to give you as much information as i could find

At least from what I can tell

yup proper tracking doesn't cause this

This is primarily an issue when you ignore the tracker and try to retroactively clear things

@Pattn @xX_penguins_Xx2 FYI, the issue we were discussing has been fixed, and I've published an app update. Thanks for reporting it, and helping to investigate the cause! ❤

not a problem, thanks for the quick update =D.

Downloading right now. Nice work

k so, trying to set up emo tracker, but it seems like no matter what I do all I get is a black window? I can make the broadcast view pop up, but there's no tracker atm

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ah okay item only works. is the full open mode package being worked on?

No, it works

15:07

Please listen to what I tell you for once and delete your user_overrides folder

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Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides

ah, excellent! :D

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next question... :P

kk

I can has customize?

You can

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In the gear menu (top right) you can export an override for, for example, the broadcast layout

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Which will then go into that folder you just deleted

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and you can edit it

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Documentation is still Coming Soon™ - I did actually get the site for it setup last night, tho

All Green? sombreroguy

sombreroguy

what is a json file and what do I open it in to edit it?

You can use Notepad, TBH

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But there are lots of json editors that will check matching braces, commas, etc. for you

notepad++ works good on windows

It's a common format on the web for authoring generic data, because it's the native javascript format

it defines things, techically speaking (too simplified?)

think that is as simple as you can get with it

ah okay cool! and yeah opened it now... so if I just... move around the names, that will edit my layout?

Yes it will

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You can hit F5 on the broadcast window to refresh only that

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or F5 on the main tracker UI to refresh everything

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Keep in mind that the broadcast layout is separate from the tracker layout

sweet! yeah exported a thing for both of them, will have to play around with it later

FYI, be cautious about changes to the main tracker layout. I'm going to be adding a feature soon that will make you want to reapply them. Basically, it will make it possible to change the item grid or certain properties without messing with everything else, so you don't get hosed by any bigger updates in the future (not that there will be many for the open mode pack)

ah okay! also good to know :O

Don't let it stop you - just be aware you might be encouraged to reapply your changes in the next few weeks.

makes sense! I might not have time to play with it too much anytime soon anyway, so we'll see. going to be a busy couple of weeks. important thing is I can use this superior tracker again

Undoing my changes? grubsad

grubsad

No - I will provide instructions on how to migrate, and it won't be required.

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Basically, as it stands right now, there's no way to modify the tracker layout in an override without overriding the ENTIRE tracker layout

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Which means that if the layout is updated with fixes, you may not see them

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So I'm going to add support for modifying named pieces of the layout, without having to override all of it. Most people just want to edit the item grid anyway.

Okay so I use the broadcast view, I imagine thats what mostly everyone is using but how do I color key it

You can export an override for the broadcast layout, change the background color, disable the drop shadow

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That will make it much easier to color key

Oh

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I actually dont mind it as much though since it basically matches my overlay being a darker grey lol

If you have a solid color overlay, you can also just match that color in the broadcast layout override (that's what I do)

great tracker so far though. Im sure this helps a lot of players who have a harder time remembering what they have and havent checked

Yeah

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As soon as I stop having 8 billion other things to do, the keysanity pack is coming

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Which is pretty damn cool IMO

keysanity ~.~

I've been way too busy

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But after next week, I'm on vacation

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And can bust shit out like crazy

Would you ever have any idea to do entrance shuffle? Lol

I have ideas, but I’m not a big entrance shuffle player. If people have ideas for how they think entrance shuffle could be done well, I’m all ears.

As someone whos attempted to make an ER tracker, its very difficult to control what you want to track. In simple ER its a bit simpler, youd usually just want to be able to track entrances that you couldnt complete the item requirements previously, but once you get to full/chaos ER it becomes way too much information to track, at that point it might be easier to just use notepad and type out info

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Making some sort of thing that you can fill out and have it auto sort the information into cycles for you could be useful but overall I imagine itd still be too complex to show in a concise way

Yeah my thought process with ER is - can I make a more useful, visual notepad that makes it easier to process the data quickly

My strategy was going to be a map of every entrance/exit, left clicking sets the first clicked as an entrance, and second as to what vanilla location it goes to, with rigth click doing exit to entrance

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but its so complex, and marking every single one is kinda a pain

Would probably be better to add an "Entrance" panel similar to "Items" with 10 additional Boss/Entrance icons, interchangeable by left/right clicking

10:43

But Saru ís gonna have the implementation fun

10:43

It's not just dungeon entrances

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it's ALL entrances

Oh...

Yeah

10:44

I had some ideas about how to speed up the notetaking

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And I think a big first step would be coming up with a simple visual code for them

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And working out the UX for setting them quickly

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I've gotten some ideas from the Z1R tracker (edited)

Never played ER before. if I entered links house and got to eastern for example and would leave right again, would I be back in front of links house or could exit also lead to another doorway?

Perhaps have it just track by which cell in a 3x3 grid

I saw an interesting visual coding that at least one person was using, but I don't want to share it here without talking to them first

And pins that are grouped (lw/dw) + (tl,tm,tr,ml,mm,mr,bl,bm,br)

Yeah. I think there are 2 problems to solve

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1) How to make the tracking fast enough

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2) How to provide value using the tracked data

Pattn, Links house isnt randomized, but theres two modes, one is where you enter and leave and its the same, the other is full chaos where you enter and leave to somewhere else

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which is what makes it so convoluted

Heh. Seems like a great way to get yourself frustrated xD

10:49

Logic and UX/UI gonna be a clusterfuck then ^^'

The fact that the logic is dynamically constructed is actually a really interesting problem

I agree. The more fun thing to solve

But not one that's necessarily solvable in a nice way that coexists with the other tracker packs

Prolly answered somewhere, but thought about going open source yet?

I have not made a decision yet. For anybody who's curious, here is my rationale for why it might not be a good idea.

10:52

If you looked at the code for EmoTracker, you would not find a single line of code that is specific to ALTTP

Moneys

CatBoo

Literally zero.

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@jaysee Definitely not

Thats not a bad thing though

I've built the tracker in the hope that it will not be used to build one-off trackers by modifying the source and making it game specific.

10:53

Which I'm pretty sure is exactly what will happen if I open source it.

The packs are open source

Ikr. Keep it modular and for everyone to enjoy. Sounds like a great project to share and get going

My goal for EmoTracker is to make it a platform for community development, where people can have one high-quality app and community members can provide packs (which as @jaysee said, are entirely open source)

Do you think you have the features necessary for a pack developer to make entrance tracker if they wanted?

Ah so basically you want to keep your baby

I'll answer that in a sec, @jaysee

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And no, it's not about keeping my baby. (edited)

10:54

It's about not diluting the value of it.

10:54

At least not yet.

It's more like developing a closed source scripting language.

10:55

Than a program at this point

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?

As far as entrance tracking goes, there's a version of it that could be built with the feature set that exists. I don't think it's the right version. While I'm not sure about opening the source right now, I'm VERY open to collaborating with people. I've been talking in great depth with a couple of people about the features they would need to do what they want to do. I'm also open to other programmers contributing code, on an invitiation basis.

Well it's your call who gets his pull requests approved and there are a different licensing options. But don't want to stress anything. Just curious.

@Pattn It's not pull requests I'm concerned about - it's forks.

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And there's literally nothing I can do about forks.

10:57

And @jaysee that's not a terrible way to look at it, although I hope I'm more transparent than, say, the .NET team at Microsoft was for a long time.

10:58

If I don't open source for a while, it's not because I don't want people seeing the code, or contributing, or any of those things.

10:58

It's strictly about trying to establish a platform.

10:59

If we get to a place where that platform is established, or alternatively it becomes obvious that it never will be, then I will be first to say it's time to open source.

Shame that forking and creating your own binaries is such a grey area on github ^^'

It's not just GitHub, really. So long as you have the ability to download the source, there is nothing I can do to prevent you from releasing a separate, incompatible version of the tracker. Even if I licensed it in such a way as to prevent it, I have neither the time nor money to invest in actually monitoring and enforcing it.

But your reasoning sounds solid enough to me. So Good luck with that!

For the record, anybody who is interested in contributing to the tracker app directly should hit me up in the new year.

Don't have a clue about the tracker-dev community and if there are any established standards etc

There are none, and forking/modifying is actually pretty rampant.

i agree with the no forking... so long as a pack developer can make what they want with or make it looks like they want people should be fine with that.

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i could probably learn a lot from the code as i'm a c# programmer but with only 3.5 years work experience .

Oh one thing still. Can't find a way to rearrange the panels. Not intended (yet) or am I missing stuff again?

You can absolutely re-arrange the panels. It requires overriding the Tracker Layout and editing that json file.

11:08

Documentation for the format is still coming soon, but it is possible right now.

™

lol, to be fair, I actually setup and paid money for the site where it's going to live.

AWS?

So the sooner it's finished, the sooner you get your money's worth from paying for the site. sombreroguy

sombreroguy

No. Issue tracking and documentation are going to be served via Atlassian cloud tools - Jira for issue tracking, and Confluence for documentation.

AWS? Tracking Metoid: Zero Mission strats now? hollowdab

hollowdab

Amazon web shizzle

11:12

Thought she meant the host, not the atlassean suite

Atlassian provides their own cloud hosting, so AWS is in no way involved.

yeah but thats some heavy weight corporate shit you got yourself there

I also just realized what channel we're in - this whole discussion about open source and stuff is really not what should be in Support.

11:13

It's a toolchain I'm familiar with, and I know it more than suits our needs. (edited)

to be fair. it's in general and we're talking about the future support of this tool

It's in the general under Support. There's another general under Discussion.

gonna head out then. maybe this time i'll finally get under 2hours run!

Any idea if it's possible to have snes9x keep taking controller inputs when not the active window. I have it so it doesn't pause but the controller stops working when I click the tracker. Not really a support issue with the tracker more emulator but any help would be good. Thanks

There’s an option in Snes9x, in the input menu. “Enable Background Input”.

That option

However be careful with using that if you do want to type at all, as snes9x does have some things auto-bound that can mess with emulator speed and layers. Don't want to accidentaly mess with those

Just remove the bindings

Yeh. Got it working. Wouldn't work with my xbox controller. But worked fine with my Snes USB controller. Go figure. Probably something to do with xinput or something.

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Thanks

@Murnco can confirm that Backround input works with xbox360 though

08:51

You have to tell snes9x that he should consider it snes controller

No worries it's working with preferred controller.

what does RT mean on the tracker for keysanity?

maybe you mean AT, which would be Aga's Tower?

ohh i was thinking that

09:44

im blind my bad LOL

dont you worry

02:39

that comes up literally all the time

02:39

also Im slow to read things

I apologize for askign this, is there a way to have the tracker start at the same size every time it starts? from what I've seen from a quick search of discord it sounds like no? but I could just be seeing it incorrectly. (also admittedly I have seen notes of somehow editing broadcast view? but I admittedly also haven't seen how to do that yet)

Not yet. It's an option I plan to add.

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The broadcast view layout is static and auto-sized, so it can be locked down

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But right now, the only way to lock down the size of the main UI is to disable resizing in the tracker layout

15:29

I'm going to add code to make it remember your last size and just start with that

is it possible to get the map into the broadcast view?

Yes, actually

15:30

But you'll probably need to specifically set the width and height attributes on it

15:30

to lock the size

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the element type is "map"

okay.. maybe i shoudl back up a bit I guess. is there a standard "readme" associated with this? Admittedly I was linked the setup.exe directly from the randomizer tracker resources

Not yet, I have documentation in progress, but various projects plus GDQ coming up have slowed my rate of progress.

(I didn't even know about broadcast view till I joined this discord to be fair which is why I asked)

15:33

ahh, okay

15:33

then when you say element type is map, what do I need to update?

Have you exported an override actually looked at the contents of broadcast_layout?

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The structure of that file is a hierarchy of layout elements

nope, I ws unaware of that file existing. Admittedly I dont' even know where the setup installed to since I don't think I was prompted?

It's a MS OneClick install, which isntalls to a system specified location (not under my control)

15:35

But overrides/etc. are stored in your Documents folder

ahh okay, I found it I think

Documents/EmoTracker/...

15:36

When you've got a pack open, you can export overrides from the gear menu in the title bar

15:36

The default layout for the broadcast view in the open mode pack, displays a custom item grid and the recently pinned locations

okay, then I need to add another json object in the array with type "map" and maybe look at tracker layout.json for an example I'm going to guess

correct

15:37

here's an example of how to do a map

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{ "type": "container", "margin": "0,5,0,0", "width": 350, "content": { "type": "map", } }

ahhhh okay. that makes more sense

as a replacement for the recent pins in the default broadcast layout for the open mode pack

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which looks like this

Image attachment

oh that shoudl be perfect actually

Yeah

15:38

The nice thing about the layout system in the tracker is that you can use any UI you see anywhere in either layout

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Everything is universal

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The only difference is that input is disabled on the broadcast view

oh and one other thing before I start workign ont hat part: but outside of pinning dungeons, is there an easy way to tick off the chests collected? (currently looks like the other way is click and hold, drag into the popup, then start clicking

There is one other way, which is to right click on the little colored square for a location

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That will auto clear everything you have the ability to potentially clear

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Inspectable locations, and sequence break and higher locations

15:40

It will leave chests you don't have access to alone

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Generally, I use that on overworld

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But prefer to pin dungeons and manually click off each chest

ahhh okay, I see what was goign on that confused me then

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didn't knwo it only removed the things you have access to

15:40

entire thing disappeared so that is where my confusion stemmed from. Thank you for helping clear that up

Yeah, that's because there's nothing there you can access after that.

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For example, if you right click sahasrala's hut without the green pendant

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it will disappear

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if you get the green pendant, it will reappear

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as the last item becomes accessible

And then I guess the last question before I dive into updating broadcast, pinned locations, am I correct that they disappear everytime you refresh/reload? or is there a save for those as well that I haven't stumbled uppon yet?

you are correct

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a list of locations to auto-pin at start is a request I've already gotten

alright. Then i just have a bit more setup to do before I start runs in the future then. Either way, this should still help a lot. Thank you for the fast responses

Of course, happy to help.

15:43

Starting this weekend, I'll be away for a week for AGDQ, but I will try to check in periodically.

Gone

grubsad

...but not forgotten, hopefully. LOL

Fair enough, have fun! Hopefully I'll get this setup and used to it enough. Looks like it will help a lot with keysanity which I badly need. Can't keep using a note card and a pen

I think the keysanity pack is pretty nice.

15:46

I have another version, which is maybe more instructive than truly useful, but there are a few bugs with it. That one allows you to mark doors you've used keys on and supports the full key logic. It's a LOT of tracking though, and generally a lot more than what most experienced players want.

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If there's sufficient interesting though, I'd probably finish it.

It looks like it. I just have to get it into a size that I can read and then get broadcast mode into a form that OBS can capture properly.

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admittedly also need it to practice keysanity because I need to get better at that so I don't come in dead last for the tournament. Had been using the cross-product tracker but without the keysanity support, I can't really use it.

sorry to bother again, but is there a way to dissplay all locations even if i cant go there yet?

F11

thanks

i just noticed, it has 6 chests for sanctuary and escape. But aren't there 3 chests in the front of escape, 1 chest in the sewers, 3 chests in the back, and 1 chest for sanctuary?

11:39

so 8 chests

It doesn't count dungeon items

11:40

So map and small key aren't counted.

OHH right right... sorry i completely forgot that is technically a dungeon

11:42

though... shouldn't it then be 8 chests in keysanity mode?

I just noticed that too. Keysanity mode seems to be missing sanc chest

fair enough. Admittedly if I could figure out hwo to customize it to seperate those, I would. I know it is part of the escape sequence, but I like treating sanc as its own chests location

11:45

and... I think i found how to do that so time to play around with it! (admittedly I really like that I can modify this relatively easily with some trial/error. makes it nice)

I noticed that issue last night myself, and plan to issue an update for the pack today.

Will that update make me have to redo the edits I just did to locations.json?

Yes. What edits did you make?

As a general rule, if you are making significant non-layout changes to imanaged packs, you should expect to be dealing with things like this. You may want to consider effectively forking your own pack locally instead, with a separate name/uid, and manually pulling changes you want from the new versions of the pack you branched from.

I just split up escape and sanctuary. It would take maybe 2 minutes to reapply

Ah, okay

Is there any way to undo the last action? Like say if I right click the wrong location can I get it back again? Also a way to save pinned items like dungeons or areas I always forget to check.

f11 i belive to show all locations. then right click the location?

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unless things have changed.

Oh I see. i though F11 just reset the locations. I see they show up black then i can click the chests to undo it. thank you.

np glad i could help

not sure if I should ask this here, or in customization support, but is there a way to get the broadcast layout to show the pinned locations similar to how the tracker does? (EG: put them next to eachother then wrap if it is going to be too big). When I tried earlier I managed to get it to be that smaller size as opposed to the full width, but when I added too many, it made the broadcast window larger with each one rather than wrapping it. Unfortunately I don't have what I did to get that state, but I think I mainly had just copied from trackerLayout into broadcastLayout

08:40

for the overrides

The key thing is to limit the size of the recentpins

09:54

You can use the width and height attributes to do this. (edited)

alright, I will go play aroudn with that, tahnks

Is there a way to change all of the background color of the broadcast tracker? When I changed the background color in the override, it still had the same color as a boarder around the outer edge of the window

You need to apply the color to the root element

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The example probably applies it to one below

12:59

Oh wait

12:59

It's the margin thing

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I really need to update that default layout

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Take the margin setting and move it to a deeper element

I dont know what im doing wrong but i cant get past this screen no matter what i do.

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Hmmmm

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Have you tried restarting?

01:36

I have not seen that issue on first time use (edited)

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If after restarting the message in the main window is different (no pack selected) try using the gear icon to select a pack to make active

01:37

You should also check your Documents folder

01:38

There should be an EmoTracker folder there, and if the downloads have succeeded, you should see some zipped packs installed in there

i have a ''packs" folder but nothing there.

01:48

restarting still brings up the same thing

01:51

Got it, i had to allow it through my anitvirus

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my bad and ty

Ah, makes sense - no problem! Just glad you got it sorted

hey, just trying out the tracker. But I cant figure out how to drag icons around ;; can someone help?

The only way to customize the tracker is to export an override file using the menu, and then editing the .json file that it creates using something like notepad.

where is the json file landing when I export it? I dont think I could have set an directory when installing

Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides

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There should be a folder with the name of the pack you're using. The json will be inside it.

alrighty, thank you very much !

How do i change the layout for the tracker to how i am hoping to set it? it seams a bit confusing

You can export overrides for the tracker and broadcast layouts for the current pack from the gear menu, they will end up in Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides

i can help you

The files are in JSON format. Rearranging items is relatively straightforward, but there's a LOT you can do. Many people here have experience with manipulating it, so ask questions and you will find answers.

i just did it myself

k thanks

Just FYI.. when looking in \Documents\EmoTracker\user_overrides\ it lists v27 in the folder names.. if you wanted it to say v28..

I suspect this is an issue with the pack names needing to be the same as the override folders. If she updated the pack names to v28, everyone's overrides wouldn't work unless they renamed the folders. Best thing would probably have been to not have the version number in the pack name. (edited)

Yeah, I messed up

21:56

By including a version in the pack uids in the first place

21:56

I'm working on a migration path that will handle it, and let me rename them, later

So as someone who has limited/no knowledge of code, how difficult would it be to make the layout of EmoTracker basically the item menu in-game?

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For context, I've been using alttp.orphis.net up to this point, and I really like the item layout for it (combined silvers/bow, mushroom/powder, shovel/flute). Has someone already made a layout similar to that?

Not hard at all

21:12

Take a stab at it, using the overrides (you can export overrides in the gear menu)

21:12

When you run into an issue, come back here

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I or somebody else will help you

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I could do it for you pretty quickly, but teach a Cran to fish and all that

Alright, my big question before I try is whether there's an easy way to combine things like silvers and bow or mushroom and powder. Like, I see a code for "bow" and one for "silvers", but is there one for both?

AH

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I am actually releasing an update in the next day or so that includes combo versions of those

I've got it combined on my hud.

Courtesy of JRJ

what?

Sick, that's great timing!

Actually no

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Courtesy of DuDude

21:19

BEcause I was looking at the wrong DMs, lol

I was about to say. I only got it working on my hud just today and didn't tell Emo yet.

If you wanna just wait a day, I'll make that happen tonight or tomorrow

Would it be possible to request a "bomb" image/code in a future update? I know that sounds weird and redundant (because you always assume you have bombs), but I use my tracker to help myself plan menus ahead of time. So having bombs on my hud helps a ton.

Yep, not a problem

I remember seeing a bomb icon in the images folder. It's just not coded currently.

Sick. Thanks! I'm excited, this tracker looks really clean. I'm probably just gonna use the "pinned locations" to track dungeon chests and not much else, lol. But I really like the customizability and integration with multiple trackers.

Pinned locations are one of my favorite things

So quick question to make sure I understand the colors.

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Green is "clearable" Yellow is "clearable with sequence breaks" Orange is "partially clearable" Blue is "viewable but not obtainable"

21:24

Right?

Correct

21:25

Although in the keysanity pack "yellow" gets a teensy bit overloaded in some cases

21:25

but for most purposes, yes that's correct

Cool. The one I have right now is just green or red (green mixes with sequence breaks), and blue is if there's something important somewhere. So I'll have to relearn what means what.

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That won't apply for me, because I don't see myself doing much keysanity, lol.

Good for you (edited)

21:26

You're smart

21:26

lol

I was like "I've only tried one or two seeds, and there's a lot of hype for it, maybe I'll give it another shot". Then full cleared all but 2 spots, and got 4th of 13 with a 2:06 and was like "nope, I was right, this is all bullshit"

21:28

I'm glad it exists, but it's just not for me.

Yeah, I was gonna drop from the tourney, but then I forgot to. So now I'm trapped, lol

lol

21:28

Yeah, really happy I didn't enter after doing that seed the other day.

I feel the same way. Keysanity adds 30 minutes to the run for no good reason to me.

Just a heads up, since @Cransoon was asking about it... Here are some new item options coming soon to the EmoTracker core packs, courtesy of work done by @Dudude Dude . I'm just doing a bit of behind the scenes work to make sure these work seamlessly with the existing non-combo items for the bow and silvers, since having the single items is more useful in the item-capture pop-up. Once this is released, you'll be able to use this new combo bow+arrow in your layouts. You can also see some cool new indicators on right click for powder and the flute, a new bomb item (with a big bomb indicator), and a new combined boomerang item that maps the boomerangs independently to left/right click. Stay tuned for the release, hopefully tomorrow, but definitely this week!

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And I was happy to share those! I made them for my personal use, and I hope other people will enjoy them too.

New update is looking good can't wait. I do have one question though. Spent most of my night making new sword sprites ( don't like how they didn't have handles ) and changed or added colors to other sprites. Will that remain untouched or do I have to save a backup and cut and paste all my new sprites into the new pack?

Sick, I can't wait for the update!

If you put them in the overrides folder, ScrollToe, they will stay in place after an update.

Speaking of sword sprites, I should share these too.

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Just from the existing graphics in-game of course.

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perfect, I actually am going to switch my personal pughud to use those

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well, personal pughud package

Although I think I will opt to remove the numbers

Should be easy enough to edit

Yep

Already done on my laptop

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Just magentad the background cuz Im an mspaint boy

Oh sweet sprites, thanks Dude

henlo, I'm having trouble updating some of the packages and I wanna make sure i'm not being... stupid.

what's happening?

I'm trying to download the update for the Items Only package.

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Clicking on download greys out the button for a little bit but then it goes right back to normal, saying update available still.

First things first

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Try restarting the tracker, if you haven't already

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And see if it still says there's an update available

I have done it a few times, yeah. I even tried changing the layout to open mode to see if that may have been stopping it for whatever reason.

Okay, next

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Can you please show me the contents of your Documents/EmoTracker/packs folder?

Yeah hold on.

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Hmm, okay, well rip that theory, lol

16:08

My recommendation is to delete the itemsonly pack and try redownloading

ok.

The other thing that somebody has told me once is that their virus scanner was eating the downloads

16:09

So you may need to add an exclusion

oh I hadn't thought of that...

16:09

let me do that meow.

Dumb question, on the open mode layout what is this green GO button?

It's just a convenient place to mark that you're in go mode

ah i see. tanks

np

That did it. I think.. had to delete the folder a couple times because it .. wouldn't stay dead but we're good!

Is AT on the Keysanity tracker for Aga Tower?

Yes

Okie dokie.

HC = Hyrule Castle AT = Aga Tower

The only Keysanity I ever tried was a night that I had drinks and it didn't go well.. I'm thinking I may try again, especially now that I can properly track what I get.

17:23

The dialogue box says "Castle Tower" for AT though, right?

dialogue box?

17:25

oh the in-game thing

17:25

yes

17:25

when you get one of those keys, it says castle tower

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It says AT in the inventory menu though

Cool cool.

Thanks.

Did you ever finish your doc for all the supported features for the layouts?

Hey, Dudude. Did you do the alternate sprites for the bottles ?

No, I've been swamped

17:30

It's in progress

17:30

But... sigh

17:30

I fail

sombreroguy

lol

And I haven't personally done anything bottle related yet, since the current implementation was good enough as far as I'm concerned.

The one thing on my agenda for bottles is to convert them to standard-styled consumables

18:22

with the rendered count

18:22

That feature didn't exist when those bottles were first implemented

Yeah, I made that change on my hud soon after the keysanity packs were released.

I got bottles working the way I want to make glitched logic when I decide to get around to that

I just realized, my bottle change works for me, but Emo likely has to make it work with the location tracker too. Silly me.

It would work for that

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No problem

18:34

It's just low on my list

18:34

Assuming you used the consumable item type

You assume correctly.

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Although, if I wanna add a sick kid check icon like Willard wants, I'd probably have to change it to progressive_toggle and use the old sprites again.

Do me a favor and hold off on that

19:03

I have ideas

19:03

ok

19:04

I made bottle sprites with the sick kid's face in the corner which matches Dude's powder and flute icons if your ideas require them.

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If you send them along, I will gladly use them to try this out

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If you can send me he head as a separate image too, that would be awesome

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There's the other sprites I made.

Awesome thanks!

composite_toggle can only have 2 states each for left-click and right-click, correct?

Correct - more accurately, it's tracking the toggle state of two other toggle items

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Each of which is on/off

23:14

But the images get mapped in terms of the combinations

23:15

You can set the images independently for false/false, false/true, true/false, true/true

23:16

The main reason for its existence is that, if you use progressive_toggle for e.g. bow + silvers, you can't use the feature where you e.g. capture the silvers on torch and then they auto track when you clear desert

23:16

With this, you can use the single items in the capture, and the composite_toggle will automatically update to match

Is this checkmark support

No

.forfeit

lmao

Isn't the only thing missing by this point the ability to add a checkmark to the bottle icon? You could easily do the rest with the coding Emo just put into the keysanity packs. Just need some custom icons with the checkmarks added.

bottles I didn't touch yet because I have a more general plan for "badging" things

23:49

that I also want to extend to locations on the map

23:49

And support things like the Z1 tracker map

I figured. I'm just curious what Fouton's looking for when he mentions checkmark support.

I'm not 100% sure tbh, I just say no to @Fouton (PugHUD) now, because he hurt me. Deeply. (edited)

If thats what this update is then Im set

And technically my checkmark support is supported, but the part that I one day hope to see is the sectioned interaction

00:28

Top right ninth triggering something different from the remainder, stuff like that

00:28

Once that is done, PugHUD will exist fully

00:30

Medallion checkmarks come to mind as potentially difficult, which is why Im concerned about badges

00:30

Bottom left and top right checkmarks toggle-able at the same time, rather than a cycling

00:31

Its a minor detail that Im sure people can get over though, theres plenty more important features on the horizon

Yeah, that stuff falls under my custom badge support

00:41

which will allow input regions in all 4 corners

excellent

if i were to want to take the tracker with me on a portable drive to run on a laptop where it isnt installed is that possible?

I'm honestly not sure, due to the OneClick installation

13:22

OneClick is going to go away at some point in the next month or two tho, at which point it will be a portable application

ah dang didnt want to install it on my work laptop but want to play some keysanity and open for the next week

It would be easy for me to make a self-contained version, but the issue is that pack updates sometimes require app updates to function.

13:23

And I don't want people to download a pack update and not be able to update the app

13:23

So I'm going to be changing things up so that I can have the app update itself

sounds good....ill just have to use the firebase one i guess

Yeah, apologies. It's on the roadmap, but there are other things ahead of it.

All good I just love yours

That is very much appreciated.

is there a way to change the behaviour of the mouse buttons?

Depends what you want to do

swap the functions of left and right and if possible undoing stuff on the same button i can clear stuff

That is possible, but requires customizing the items themselves, which makes receiving updates to the item definitions a bit more of a hassle for you

16:54

I could add a global option for reversing the mouse button functions (edited)

16:54

but in some cases, such as the new boomerangs item, it wouldn't make much sense (edited)

16:55

So right now, that woudl end up being pretty low priority

16:55

Addressing making toggle items wrap by default, or making that a global option, is more doable

i meant for locations on the map, im fine with how it works for the items

Ah

17:21

No, not currently

17:21

And that is a harder thing to do

17:22

Certainly possible, but it will definitely require an app update to support

When I click Download when an update is available sometimes this happens. Note that the bar is green but it's still saying there is an update.

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00:38

I have to exit emo tracker to be able to try downloading it again.

Have you unzipped any of the zip files in the packs folder? I've noticed this happen sometimes if there's a folder and zip file with the same name. If not, just delete the old zip file and EmoTracker should then download the new one.

You can also try restarting the tracker

02:56

I've seen sporadic issues there, and it's still an ongoing investigation because it doesn't reproduce consistently

It does work after closing and opening the tracker.

03:26

Not sure why it stretches across my monitors though

Yeah, me neither. It is a bizarre WPF layout issue that I'm sure is my fault, but I continue to fail to see how.

Not a major issue. More of a "huh that was weird" thing.

Yeah, it's been bugging me for quite a while. Every time I look at it, I come away with no progress and more frustration.

Did you try:

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DoWhatISayOrElse();

(edited)

07:29

OmNom

Yeah it just keeps executing the Else block.

@Murnco I had the expanding download window myself. I had troubles downloading one of the updates, but it was because that layout was currently loaded. After restarting the tracker and using another layout, it updated properly

Even that is inconsistent, and doesn’t seem to necessarily be the root cause. It’s definitely helpful to know peoples’ experiences though.

So, I just noticed after updating that the bow and boomerang icons are missing from all of the packages. What is the best way to fix this?

Which packages are you using?

11:40

I have not seen that issue

I have had it happen once but mine fixed itself after I closed the window and restarted the program

Hmm

11:43

Oh

11:43

Did you download the pack updates but not install the app update?

11:43

You need to make sure your tracker app is updated

Btw thanks for making this I spent a lot of time searching and trying out other trackers. This works great for everything. (Keysanity or otherwise)

Happy to have helped

Does the tracker check for updates when you load it? something might have just downloaded incorrectly and I just need to reinstall

11:46

I cant find a 'check for updates' option

The tracker should be checking for updates each time you launch it

11:47

and it should prompt you to install the latest version

When I relaunch the tracker, it does a quick check before loading up and doesnt say anything about a new update. I removed the packs and reinstalled them, but still having the same issue. It is probably just my computer being a pain and I need to reinstall

You shouldn't need to uninstall. Just run the installer again at http://www.emosaru.com/emotracker/live/setup.exe

11:55

It may be related to some sort of caching issue on your computer. What OS are you running?

Windows 8.1

11:58

running the installer again seems to have fixed it

k

11:59

This is all just bumping up the priority on me getting the self-contained update stuff working, so I can more directly control the caching

Thanks again for all your help and sorry I couldnt give you more info on the cause of the problem

No problem!

12:00

Regardless of the source of the problem, I know what the long-term fix is, so it's all good.

The download bars also like to extend farther and farther for no real reason its odd

Yeah, it's known, and annoying.

excellent

So I lost my map when swapping between packages....

Is one of those packages the items only package?

23:55

If you switch back to the location pack, you may just need to resize the window

23:55

but the items only packs are fixed size and ahve no maps

No; like one flashed map for a second then disappeared a second later.

Umm

23:56

What pack did that?

Keysanity

Keysanity (Items Only), or Keysanity (v28, light)?

Well, it did that for swapping from Keysanity to Keysanity items only; but when I get the expand windows thing in the corner I can also only drag horizontal.

I have not seen that at all

OH; ok.

Make sure you're seeing the diagonal resize cursor before you start dragging

AH

23:58

It's a really small area to get the diagonal arrow.

It's the behavior windows gives us, sadly

_recommends enabling a Winkey + Up to maximize. (edited)

Umm, that works?

23:59

It's standard windows behavior (edited)

OK, I'm just sleep deprived.

23:59

Also on tilt from a almost 4 hour seed. THIS IS AWESOME!

lol

23:59

sleep plz

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I am also having the issue where the bow/boomerang and sword icons are missing

22:57

It's only from the open layout

22:57

and I already tried to reinstall

Hmmmm

22:57

Do you have any layout overrides?

None

22:58

If I could delete the open layout and redownload I have a feeling it'd work

Okay, just to verify - your Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides folder is empty?

22:58

And restarting the tracker did not prompt you to update it?

I just now downloaded the latest update

22:59

and yes the folder is empty

Okay, and it’s still missing? Very strange

22:59

And you tried re-running the setup from the link in #welcome?

deleting and redownloading the package fixed it

Wow

23:00

That is surprising to me

23:00

Hmmmm

23:00

Okay, well, on the one hand I’m glad you’re fixed.

23:00

On the other hand, that is actually the fix I expected least to work.

23:01

So I’m going to have to do some investigation on my end,

I was confused as well

Generally that issue has been caused by having the updated package, but not the updated app

23:02

So this is particularly interesting

question: on the item tracker, is there any easy way to swap the location of items? It seems the bomb is in the wrong place for both keysanity and open mode and I'd like to move it to be insync with the in game menu

If you press the gear icon, then go to "Packages > Export Overrides > Tracker Layout", it'll create a user_overrides folder in "Documents\EmoTracker". In there you'll find a folder named after the pack you're using, and in that is a tracker_layout.json file that you can edit with a program like Notepad. In that file you'll find a section topped with "rows": which has the item layout in there, there just swap around the items as you'd want them to be laid out.

i assume i woudl need tod o the same for broadcast layout also?

Yup.

While I'm glad you got the info you need, I'm sorry for the ordering issue. While I see the issue in the two keysanity packs (and will issue a fix), I don't actually see the items in the wrong order in the open mode packs...

@here Just as a reminder - if you are experiencing issues with a pack, especially after updating, please make sure to check your Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides folder for unexpected overrides for that pack. I generally take care to ensure that overrides to tracker_layout.json and broadcast_layout.json will, at the very least, continue to work after an update, even if you're missing certain fixes. Overriding items.json or locations.json, however, would be considered "advanced". If you've overridden those files, I strongly recommend that you consider backing up your overrides, testing without them, and reapplying your actual changes to the new versions.

is it possible to change the color of the background as a user override? I'm wanting to change the color to either black or a vibrant color so that it can be chroma keyed if at all possible

Yes

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In your overriden broadcast layout, you wil see the background color on the top-most element

17:51

It's a standard HTML hex color code

17:51

For chromakeying, I also recommend disabling the drop shadow effect

just to make sure I know what you're talking about, it's the line that reads: "background": "#212121", right?

Precisely

Sorry, I'm not too familiar with this. Thanks for your patience

Not a problem

awesome tracker by the way!

Thanks! Glad you're enjoying it

how do you make locations visible by default without their item requirements?

F11 will show everything

17:13

But they're not manipulatable until they're accessible according to your items

oh

That's an option I've been considering adding, but it's low priority

Sorry still new to tracker but what's the difference between yellow and orange on the map?

Yellow = Sequence Break Access

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Orange = Partial Accessibility

22:34

So for example

22:34

With the boots

22:34

Hookshot Cave, assusming you can get to it, will be orange

22:34

Because you only have access to one section of it

22:35

When you get the hookshot, it would go green

22:35

But if your only death mountain access was a sequence break without the lamp

22:35

it would be yellow

Ok that makes sense then. I was confused when I saw pod as orange and ice palace as yellow. Especially since I thought ibhad everything for ice palace (unless logic thinks you need mirror)

22:36

And thank you very much @EmoSaru

No problem

hellow, I have a problem with the tracker, for some reason it doesn't show the bow, arrow and boomerang icons

18:06

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thats in the open tab, but if I choose items only it's fine

Have you done any customizations?

no, and there was no updates today also

18:09

it was good yesterday but today I opened it and that happened

Sorry, I've been doing tournament commentary on speedgaming

20:28

Have you tried restarting the tracker?

20:28

Also, I recommend double checking to make sure there is nothing in your Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides folder

Ok I clicked the option to delete all overrides and it was fixed, but I didn't do anything for that to happen tho. Thanks for the help!

11:18

Ok I clicked the option to delete all overrides and it was fixed, but I didn't do anything for that to happen tho. Thanks for the help!

Question. How much does the disabled state darken the icon?

50%

18:49

There are actualyl ways to affect that, but it currently requires some overrides that shouldn't be necessary

18:49

I'm hoping to change it at some point so that's easier to override in ways that don't prevent patching (edited)

I ask because I'm making a custom boomerangs sprite, but one of them doesn't look right, even after darkening it by 50%.

Interesting

18:50

I mean, the disabled state also (by default) uses a grayscale conversion

18:50

and the one you're using might not match

18:51

which could be altering the perceived brightness prior to darkening

This is what I'm getting.

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I'm confused by what I'm supposed to be looking at?

18:54

I'll double check the default image processing settings for the disabled stuff when I get home tho

The one on the top is the full color icon in its disabled state. The one on the bottom is one where I changed it to grayscale in Paint.net and lowered the brightness by -50, which I've been assuming is 50%.

19:03

The two boomerangs are kind of squished together to fit in the 32 by 32 frame.

I'd have to see the full enabled state to understand what's happening tho

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Your brightness filter is definitely behaving inconsistently across the channels tho

19:06

either that or your grayscale conversion is radically enhancing contrast in the process

@JRJathome - I confirm that the default image processing spec for disabled stages is "grayscale, dim"

19:43

Which means make the image grayscale, then dim by 50%

19:44

Your grayscale conversion appears to be doing a perceptual brightness, rather than the simple average of the 3 channels that mine does

19:44

That's one difference

19:44

Your 50% brightness adjustment may also be doing something perceptual, but it's hard to say

I'll try to mess with the contrast then.

that's probably your best option, yeah

19:45

It's probably biased towards green, like most perceptual brightness conversions are

Decreasing contrast worked. It's not exact, but it's close enough that most people won't really notice.

It would have been easier and seamless if I had made my own disabled sprite. My goal is to create an image pack that works without overriding any existing code, and you have the code use the enabled sprite with the disabled modification, so I had to work with that. (edited)

Yeah

20:57

The long term improvement to that is adding support for "meta images"

20:57

where instead of an image file, you can put in a text file containing image processing directives

20:57

then that needs to support compositing

20:58

cuz then you can actually use the built in image filters on multiple image components to do these things

20:58

But that's not very high priority at the moment

Yeah, I'm sure you have your plate full trying to change the update and installation system.

yeah

21:00

I've tried and discarded a few ideas

21:00

much to my annoyance

21:00

so I'm working on the "not my favorite, but will definitely work" option now

I definitely missed the conversation but yeah

21:36

@disabledmods "" is what I use for my custom options

21:37

and if you are as incapable of using anything but mspaint as I am, I just go into color options, select a color of the sprite, add up the RGB and divide by 3, apply to each R, G, and B, to get its greyscale color

21:37

that being said I desperately need to be less dependant on mspaint

I use Paint.net since it's free.

I should look into that

Paint.net is my favorite art program, it's free and extremely customizable and acts as a semi-replacement for photoshop. 10/10 for beginners

I actually get the disabled versions of my images by just opening the broadcast view, alt+print screening that, copying that into paint.net, and then using the magic wand tool to select the sprite I want.

10:38

Wouldn't surprise me if that works better. I always seem to overcomplicate things.

user_permissions -- if I wanted to give everyone access to !hud (I'm a VERY small channel), what should I set?

Hmm, somebody informed you of things I see... (edited)

just hundo-ed a seed in 4:30 -- eyes gone bleary.

The answer is you can't yet

12:07

Chat hud is in closed beta right now

or at least flushing permissions?

Also no specific support yet

Bah; I await the end of beta then.

12:08

Merry rando to all; that festive seed was hell!

I'm curious to know how you found out how to enable chathud in the first place...

Went into the files and found a user_permissions text file I started fuddling around with.

12:09

But nothing worked even when adding things to whitelist and such.

Hm, that shouldn't be getting written out without actually having connected

12:09

And it appears you haven't connected

So I never got it enabled; lol.

So, yeah

12:10

Okay

Brain = mush

i cannot find where the tracker is sending the override files

Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides

it wasnt ending up there at first lol had to reinstall for some odd reason

Hmmmm

I wonder if this is related to the time I installed a package and couldnt see it so I had to reinstall it

Hmm

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12:30

can't reinstall either

looks like it's working now though

Weird

13:07

FYI, in the next day or two, you're all going to have to uninstall and reinstall a different way. MS ClickOnce is officially Butts™, so I'm replacing it with a standard installer

13:07

There will be a final update to the existing app that prompts you to do so

Greetings administrator. Is there a list of chat hud commands that I may access? Please and Thank you.

Not at present time. Also chat hud is still in closed beta for only a few people. I believe somebody in christos’ chat made a cheat sheet though

19:00

He’s probably got a command for it

Ah okay. Thank you administrator for your help.

No problem

Is that your new official title, Emo?

Nope, but I’ll respond to it lol

andyYay

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Yes it is

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trying out this tracker for keysanity, I figured out how to export an overrides file to change the layout a bit, but I'm not sure if I'm missing this: is there a way to mark which medallions are required for MM/TR? It seems like the tracker will only mark those as available if you have all three

right click

right click on the medallion itself to mark it.

ahhhhh

19:49

thanks!

Also @Fouton (PugHUD) I don't know what you're talking about

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I wasn't looking at the item, just the dungeon

19:49

/facepalm

perfect

19:50

The fact that it specifies the number of benevolent overlords really makes me question how much power you truly have

It's me reminding you that there's only 1

19:51

Also it's almost time for night coffee

19:51

yay!

Makes me think about this cool game called Iconoclasts

Bought it, still need to play it. Why, is it based on me?

emosarSideEye

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20:31

it goes from this is interesting to wow that's fucked but still interesting.

20:31

so I'll probably speedrun it later

Neato

One of the boss fights is utterly hilarious though

20:38

You should play Iconoclasts and then guess which one I laughed my ass off during

(edited)

lol

20:43

okay

http://prntscr.com/igqz73

Captured with Lightshot

Dammit.

Thought you might want to know

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I'll update the installer

01:37

It won't affect anything other than the release notes tho

Question: is it possible to have the broadcast window NOT show pinned locations?

05:42

Or...at least to not have pinned locations add an extra row per location?

By default, it'll only add 2 rows. I'm not sure if it's possible to show those rows without pinning anything in them first.

08:54

If you'd like the broadcast menu to not show any pins, you can delete the text highlighted here from broadcast_layout.json.

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Is it possible to have the program remember the previous window state? It would be nice if the items remained selected and window size/layout remembered from the last time used.

Window size/position saving is something that will be coming at some point, but I'm not planning on supporting saving the tracker state (edited)

i suppose for most speedrunners, that isnt an issue since you'd play from start to finish. im doing casual playthroughs and using the tracker for 100% completion. since it takes me a few days to finish, im having to reset all of my items each time i play. not a big deal though.

12:13

keep up the good work though. once i got things figured out, im liking your tracker over the others by a lot

Is there a way to increase the size of the item icons, I did a quick browse for sizing options but didn't see any.

You can do it through layout customization. I thought there was a post about it somewhere, but I can't find it.

Kobold, are you looking to resize the tracker or the broadcast layout? The tag you want is item_size. You can see it in the screenshot I posted above for the broadcast layout, but in some packs, I've had to manually add it to the tracker layout.

I'm wanting to resize the tracker. I'm running 4K on my screen so it's quite small and when doing a run the larger I can make it on my screen the more likely I won't miss click.

12:38

And I only use the item tracker itself. The map resizes fine but I don't use that.

You export a tracker layout override from the gear menu That will go in Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides/<pack_id> You can add an e.g

"scale": 2,

attribute to the "shared_item_grid" layout in that file Then save, and hit F5 in the tracker to reload

That worked on making the icons bigger, and the window itself scaled vertically correctly, but hasn't adjusted width wise and cuts off.

Near the bottom of the file, you'll see an element with a "width" attribute (edited)

12:58

double the width number

You all rock, thank you!!

np

Hey noob question, what exactly constitutes a chest in the tracker? Like for example there are 6 possible item locations in Eastern. So, would it just be anything that isn't a key/map/compass/big key?

For keysanity, it'll be every location. So for eastern, there's 5 chests and the boss item.

22:04

When using the open mode pack, you'll see different chest numbers. For that, you'd only click the chest when you got a non-dungeon item. Since Eastern has big key, map and compass, that leaves 3 items.

Perfect, thanks!

I'm getting an 0xc0000005 Access violation, I've tried clearing out my Documents\EmoTracker, as well as reinstalling

Can you please screenshot the actual error (making sure to expand anything that can be expanded)?

10:20

Also please provide your windows version, etc.

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10:22

I debugged using Visual Studio, last time it showed the access violation. Now its giving me The program '[15752] EmoTracker.exe' has exited with code -1073741674 (0xc0000096) 'Privileged instruction'.

10:22

Windows 10.0.16299.248

10:23

Only AV running is Windows Defender, and the tracker crashes with the real-time protection disabled as well

10:28

welp, its MSI Afterburner or RivaTuner Statistics Server causing the crash, let me see versions I have, if theres updates, etc EDIT: Enabling Custom Direct3D Support in RTSS seems to fix it. (edited)

So what exactly is PugHUD?

PugHUD is another lttp item only tracker built by @Fouton (PugHUD)

10:30

He’s discontinued his standalone app and is now just shipping his tracker as EmoTracker packs

I've just installed the tracker and am deciding on a package

It’s a slightly different layout, etc.

I can swap between the packages?

Yep

Sweet

That’s the whole point

Get ALL the packages!

Yep, have fun

Thanks!

@kageurufu That is very interesting - the tracker is a WPF application, which does use Direct3D on the backend for compositing I believe.

So its not the first application I've run into that has problems with RTSS, but might be something to note in a troubleshooting FAQ or something

Indeed

12:52

I’m not actually familiar with what RTSS does

It injects into direct3d to try to track frame metrics and whatnot, and has options to show a realtime overlay, add a framerate limit, and a few other things. I mainly have it to monitor framerates when I'm messing with my overclock

Ah, interesting

12:57

Yeah, I could imagine the WPF compositor could run afoul of that in some cases

When'd you add ears to your icon, emo? andyThinking

andyThinking

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I didn’t? What did you do, lol

18:52

What weird little window decorator are you running lol

18:52

Or maybe the window didn’t refresh after something was over it

https://clips.twitch.tv/CleanAbstemiousMangoSoBayed

deathFouton Playing The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - Twitch Clips

DesktopTracker - Clipped by deathFouton

18:58

basically Im thinking chatbot is causing something weird to happen

18:58

well NOW its opening fine

18:58

maybe its OBS

18:58

just sometimes apps I open dont properly do their thing

18:58

wsplit has it happen basically every damn time I open it

18:59

have to reset the timer to get it to show properly

Hmmm

18:59

Very strange l

definitely not emotrackers fault I dont think

18:59

I think its my PC drivers

18:59

which are up to date but stupid

Yeah it’s just strange

I've seen something similar happen when opening snes9x before I load a rom.

Hi do I get the stream tracker window so I don’t have the top line with all the info in it

crop it in obs

Ok

Also use the broadcast window (hit F2)

11:31

It designed for capture in OBS

can you change the size of that window? the pixels are inconsistent (for me anyway) because of noninteger scaling

11:33

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Thanks

@scatter what non-integer scaling are you experiencing? Did you adjust the scale through a layout override, are you using windows scaling/DPI features, or are you referring to the default? (edited)

11:38

You can change more or less anything you want about that window by overriding the broadcast layout and editing the JSON for it though.

i haven't changed anything, just loaded up and hit f2, no weird windows stuff either

Hmm. One thing you can try in a broadcast layout override is removing the drop shadow effect, and adjusting some of the margins. I don’t actually remember if there are non-integer margins in some of the default layouts or not. (edited)

where are the jsons/packages stored? appdata?

Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides

11:44

Export a broadcast layout override for the active pack via the gear menu (edited)

11:44

Don’t modify the packages themselves

gotcha

11:48

yeah, looks like the default item_size for the broadcast view is 42, and they're 16x16 sprites which is where the nonsquare pixels came from

Hmm, interesting, that might be an oversight on my part

11:50

Feel free to change it in your override if you're having issues

ez typo, 32 -> 42 so that makes sense

11:50

but yeah changing that makes it look much better

General question: I noticed today that EmoTracker is taking up 172 MB of memory while running. Is that normal?

Yes

17:43

It’s largely the WPF framework

17:43

Which brings in a lot

Ok, just making sure. Thanks.

Hello, I just picked this up as I want to make sure I pick up most of the things I need to complete seeds as I mostly miss one or 2 key items in places I would only think of heart pieces but my question is with the tracker how can I track heart pieces that are on the ledges or in open space as there is no option for it?

it's assumed that you wouldn't ever bother to come back for anything that's not a key item

04:38

if you want to add the functionality you could edit the tracker_capture_item object in tracker_layout.json and put whatever you want in there

Okay and IDK if it is possible but without me changing the tracker manually is there a way to auto update with what I get?

nah, that's not allowed for races so it probably won't ever be added

Okay

I know it’s been awhile since you posted @Deleted User but you’ll find that you will get better at tracking as well as just playing if you manually do it yourself.

Okay, it is just atm it is click on an item and click back to the game and so on but it is okay :) I was playing the Daily Challenge from vt.alttp.run site and with the tracker I was unable to finish it as it looked to me it be impossible unless there was one location that I was very unlucky with as I was hammer and fire rod locked from finishing the game.

you can keep the tracker in focus

09:02

if you mean that

09:03

you just have to activate the "get inputs in background" thingy option. Sorry Im at work otherwise I would tell you where the option is

09:03

I guess you're clicking back into the game in order to make it receive your inputs, right?

Yeah it seams to be pause of loss focus

yea, in SNES9x there is an option for that so its stops pausing when the window is loosing focus

I think I have it now sorted but yeah the daily challenge was impossible for me to do with or without a tracker as like I said I was hammer and fire rod locked

If you stop the window from losing focus, will it still accept controller inputs while you click on the tracker?

yea

09:07

you have to go into the input options

09:07

there is a checkbox for that (edited)

That'll save some time. I'm still very new to rando, so any tips help lol

its all good

09:09

I guess you already joined the "official" discord server for rando?

Yep

I actually didn't know it was a thing till I saw it for agdq lol

yea, there are a lot of randomizers for different games

09:10

like Super Metroid or Hollow Knight

I've noticed lol

09:11

Oh god, who is insane enough to do metro is rando

oh god no that is hard for a casual gamer let alone rando

Right

i do super metroid randomizer casually

09:15

it's kinda rough though

09:16

phantoon with 3 e-tanks sucks

I tip my hat to you and will offer you a right to the nearest psychiatric hospital lol jk

09:17

Ride*

Whenever I fire up OBS I have to re-capture the window for broadcast view... is that normal?

No

09:28

The broadcast window has a stable name, so you should be fine so long as your window match settings are to match executable and window title

Ok ill look at OBS again

I've had that issue in OBS with other applications. I haven't found a way to prevent it from happening, but simply opening the properties for the window (sometimes subsequently changing a property and flipping it back) will recapture it. I think it's a bug inside of OBS, rather than the tracker.

Hey there, just found this tracker, looks great! Any chance it works on Linux at all?

Nope, and it won't ever. It's a heavily WPF-based application. If there is ever alternative-OS support, it will be because I've partnered with somebody on a compatible HTML5/JS implementation, but the main app that I develop will be Windows-only until WPF is actually supported well via open source frameworks like Mono.

Okay, thanks for the info

What are blue, yellow, and orange locations on the map?

Blue = inspectable (as in your can see what the item is, but not get it)

16:58

Yellow = Sequence Break (for the most part)

16:58

Orange = Partial, as in you can get some things but not all things (edited)

Perfect, thanks!

16:59

Great app, btw!

thanks, glad you're enjoying!

Is there a way in Keysanity mode to tell the tracker what medallions are used for Turtle Rock and Misery Mire?

Try right clicking them

^

The medallions, not the locations. Just to be clear...

Ah, that makes sense. I was trying to do it by location

It'll cycle through 4 options on top of the medallion

I decided to try it out with a Keysanity seed that has given me the Butter sword, Mirror shield, and Red Mail before my first dungeon, but which has left me without the magic mirror so far.

11:54

Anyways, I fiddled with it about by I started it up late last night so I missed some things

Hey guys, general question here: Tho all items necessary to reach turtle rock were collected, it wasn't shown on the tracker at all, which leads a friend of me and myself into not considering the dungeon at all (was our very first randomizer here). Is this kind of bug-ish or is there some sense behind this issue? Also the fairy beneath the zora waterfall wasn't shown as well. Is this an error from us or is this a known issue (both places where exceptionally mandatory for solving the seed)

Screenshot of your tracker please/ did you right click any of the medallions?

Phew... i try to Rebuild that scenario. Might Take a while ( haven't twitch configured to Save Videos)

No worries

Should be something around that-ish

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06:31

Mirror was in TR which was necessary to get the bow (floating island)

Ah. You have to right click on the medallion to indicate what dungeons it opens, or have all 3 for trock or mire to show as available (edited)

Ah k... why's that?

How would the tracker know what TR medallion is otherwise?

06:53

If you have all three, it doesn’t matter what entry requirement is, because you have them all. Otherwise you have to tell the tracker which medal opens TR (and MM, for that matter)

Didnt even know that the medallion required to Open TR is also random. As said... was pur First try

06:54

Our*

Ah...well welcome to the randomizer community!

Ty! And many thanks for the explanations !

Yep. After a few attempts, things start to become second nature sombreroguy

sombreroguy

That still doesn't explain the missing Waterfall fairy location

08:37

Do you happen to have user_overrides folder in the EmoTracker folder?

Oops missed one. Taking another look

08:50

Sounds like a random override. Someone will have to look at the locations.json. I won't be able to double check for several hours

I would be more suspicious that they accidentally right clicked the waterfall fairy earlier.

12:03

Waterfall fairy was absolutely working properly for me last night in the live version of the open pack.

Oh. I never use the tracker without F11 so I didn't know it actually disappears

When you clear locations, they disappear from the map (unless you made all locations visible with F11)

so, why is mimic cave yellow for me? i just got to it without any glitches...

20:42

keysanity open

20:42

i marked TR for it's medallion and have somaria

I'll have to double check, it may be left over logic from open mode expecting the fire rod

i've got both rods

hmmm

screenie coming

20:43

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Ah, it's because it's a child of turtle rock dungeon

20:44

I'll move it out to be a sibling

20:44

which will resolve this

as in, it thinks i have to defeat trinexx to get mimic cave?

no

20:45

as in, it's inheriting the accessibility of the TR Dungeon section

what's the Dungeon section?

20:45

i got to mimic cave through TR

Oh, does it think you don't have enough keys maybe?

The thing in TR that says "Dungeon", has a bunch of items, and is yellow beause of your key count

clicking it up to 4 still stays yellow

20:46

I will double check after I'm done eating dinner

Big Key too, right

Ah, yeah

20:47

because of the big chest

yeah bk and 4 small keys don't help

okay, well that's bizarre

full clearing all of TR

20:47

still yellow

okay, give me a minute

20:47

I'll go check right now

and then if i unclick the pendant it comes back and is green

20:47

i'm confused

20:48

no trush

wait what

rush, jsut a bug report

hmmm

20:48

that might be an actual code bug then

20:48

I will have to dig deeper into that

okay, IF i have the big key and if i have 2 keys it's off, but if i click to 3 keys it's green now

yeah, it's because you need to be able to full clear all the dungeon chests currently to have it be green

20:49

making it not a child of that will fix it

gotcha

20:49

glitchless, i just need to be able to get the first 7 chests (edited)

20:49

don't need BK

in keysanity, you actually just need 2 keys

20:50

so it should not be a child location in keysanity

20:51

or is it 1 key...

20:51

I need to go walk through it lol

20:51

either way, I know how to fix it

Pretty sure it's two keys, as you need one to get to the Chain Chomp room, and another to get past the Chain Chomps.

yeah

20:58

I've been running NMG lately for the most part, where everything just works out, so I forget lol

When the map shows how many chests are in a dungeon, does that include key chests or is it only item chests?

Which pack are you on?

06:21

Open mode pack shows possible non key/compass/map items

06:22

Keysanity pack shows number of locations per dungeon

Ok that is what I am on, not running keysanity

Is there any functionality that allows you to view and interact with locations that you have already marked as all chests collected?

13:14

I know there isn't any undo functionality or the intent to support it, but it would be really useful to be able to interact with locations after I have marked them as cleared in case I make a mistake. I figured it was worth checking if that functionality exists and I didn't find it first.

F11 to show all chests (edited)

awesome...that is exactly what I wanted to know

Is there a list of keybinds for the tracker?

01:03

Or at the very least how to reset it?

#welcome

F4 does a reset

^ F5

Im making a little Randomizer readme for a friend and want to explain the colors on the map for item locations, but Im not sure what all of them mean. Could someone help me out?

09:02

I guess -Green: acquirable -Orange: Not acquirable -Blue: Visible but not acquirable (edited)

09:03

?

09:09

yellow: acquirable with sequence break?

Orange: Not all items are acquirable, or (in a dungeon) the dungeon isn't beatable. Yellow: Acquirable with a sequence break, or (in a dungeon) some locations aren't reachable, which could mean the dungeon can't be completed depending on small and big key placements. If you press F11, you'll see 2 more colors: red and gray. Red locations are places you can't reach at all with your current equipment. Gray locations are ones you've already marked off on your tracker. You can pin a gray location and right-click the chest to unmark it in case you marked it as complete accidentally.

hmm

21:16

F11 somehow is not working

21:16

sorry for the late answer :S thank you tho !

oh

21:32

apparently my F11 key is broken

21:32

haha

21:32

thats so random

21:33

is there a way to change the keybind?

at the moment, no.

23:04

AFAIK.

I randomly crossed upon F11. Thank goodness. :o

10:40

Got a question though: What's the difference between orange and yellow?

Orange: Not all items are acquirable, or (in a dungeon) the dungeon isn't beatable. Yellow: Acquirable with a sequence break, or (in a dungeon) some locations aren't reachable, which could mean the dungeon can't be completed depending on small and big key placements.

Excellent. Thank you.

Tracker indicates that there are two items to find in Desert Palace. Does that number include the item that's on the ledge, or does that technically make 3?

they are separate. two inside and one on ledge

ty

Same idea applies to Mimic Cave - the item there is part of the overworld, not part of the dungeon.

how does the broadcast layout work? i don't really understand how to trigger it

16:18

when i do a window capture i get the whole thing, not just the tracker itself (edited)

Are you pressing f2 to bring it up?

no i have no clue what i am doing haha

16:21

do i just press f2?

16:22

oooh

16:22

that did it

16:22

ty

I wonder what the other f-keys do. I just region capture'd the items area.

Emo has that answered in #welcome.

F2 Show Broadcast View F5 Reset Tracker F6 Reset Layout Only F11 Toggle all locations visible

Is there a way to get emotracker to save my run if i dont finish it

Asides from taking a Picture - no

oki thanks

Hey there.

06:32

I have a problem. Ive closed the map and only the window with the items is open and I cant figure out how to get the map window back.

Trying to alter the .json file to move items around the tracker, any chance you can do that without having it refresh to a black screen?

It only refreshes to black if you have an error in your json file

21:34

I would recommend posting the portion you've changed so people can take a look and try to help find your error

From personal experience, the most common error I usually end up with when trying to change things is a missing comma or bracket somewhere. Or possibly missing quotation marks.

^^ to avoid this, you can use an editor that checks your JSON syntax for you. Visual Studio Code is free and works very well for that.

Hey everyone, I'm currently attempting to setup Emotracker with OBS - Everytime I select the Emotracker browser window it just displays a black box (While capturing the mouse) any ideas?

Are you using Broadcast View? Either way you should be using a Window Capture in OBS, is that what you're using?

Broadcast view in OBS? Yes I'm using a Window capture

Broadcaster view in EmoTracker.. I think the keyboard shortcut is F2

Saviour ❤

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10:17

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Hey guys

is there a way to have a transparent background on the item tracker ? So it can fit better with the other pieces of my layout ? or something close to it

Sadly not truly transparent, but that's actually a limitation of OBS window capture

15:44

You can use a broadcast layout override to make the broadcast view background a color you can chroma key though

15:44

For people doing that, I recommend disabling the drop shadow effect on the items

15:44

As it interferes with clean chroma keying

I'll look into that now! Thank you

Unfortunately I'm not in a position to help with that directly right now, but people have talked about the process in #customization-support and elsewhere

So, you made that combo thing where seperate items can be combined into the state of one item for broadcast view

06:39

does that work on more than 2 items

06:40

like could I have 4 things that combo to make some coop super thing

I ask because I want to implement crossproducts fancy tracking of the boss from this image into the HUD I made below it for the ALttP/SM mixed rom stuff. If not, its fine as is https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/253076834705473538/440887686614745108/unknown.png (edited)

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No, it doesn’t work for more than 2 items, largely because it doesn’t support click regions to handle more than 2 actions

09:25

I have a design for image map support to allow you to do just that, but you know how much tracker dev time I’ve had lately...

Yeah, thats fine, this is like super minor dev stuff anyways

10:24

I think it looks great as is anyways

Agreed, I would put a small margin between the lttp and sm grids, but that’s just my taste - it looks nice as is

Yeah, I think I'll leave it and let whoever wants to use it split it via multiple captures

I could see some use for a composite toggle with more than two items but only if it were broadcast view exclusive personally. So with Fouton's example the tracker would look like what he linked there, but you could have the broadcast view with the full statue based on the state of its component items. I also never realized the lil' lizard or whatever for the different beams actually looked different in super metroid.

hey, is there a way to install emotracker on a flash drive?

04:58

I tried copying the EmoTracker folder in Program Files x86 to the USB, and while it seems to work on this computer, I'm not sure if its a fail-safe method

With the current version that should work. However, pack data is always stored in Documents, so you’d have to redownload packs on each machine unless you copied that folder to the flash drive and copied it into documents on the new machine.

@Fouton (PugHUD) how do i get that lttp/sm tracker

119.24 KB

10:17

@Acktheboker With that DL! Emo might host it eventually?

10:17

depends on how popular it gets

hmm

10:17

do i put these files in the emosaurus tracker directory?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/253076834705473538/440920244576452621/unknown.png

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10:17

unzipped to be in the directory like that

ohhh

10:19

it has a directory hiding in documents

10:20

TY, i would of never figured that out

np

sick thanks again

10:21

this is so condense

10:23

gives plenty of room to have open super metroid maps lmao

You shouldn't need to unzip it, if Fouton did it correctly - he probably didn't.

pattyNice

The pack also has case sensitivity issues when used as a zipfile, because he didn't test it as one.

I'm fixing your pack Fouton, including specifying an actual broadcast layout >_<

This pack has now been fixed and published - I recommend deleting your local version, and installing from the package manager.

Thanks

11:18

Is that a lil hintyhint towards serverrrrs

11:18

or more, online

11:18

requiring twitch login

ChatHUD is coming for all, soon

the8bitHype

1

christosHype

3

Oooo also cool

More streams to track in! christosHype

christosHype

I have a few fixes I want to push as an update first, but it's proven to be stable in testing, so I see no reason for people not to have it once I get the fixes pushed.

Where do we get this Link to the Past / Super Metroid randomizer?

THAT I can't help you with - I think it's still in testing, and people are getting seeds from the dev.

Right now total (dev) is posting seeds on the SM discord

11:43

Btw love using your tracker emo

Alrighty, so I need to find this discord, then.

It's the best tracker, I agree.

thx Alu!

@TheSaltyMinstrel If you know how to work with Assembly the source code for the ALTTP/SM randomizer seems to be kept current here: https://github.com/tewtal/alttp_sm_combo_randomizer_rom I would say, Don't distribute anything, but it's a public repsoitory, so I see no reason you couldn't do personal builds. (edited)

tewtal/alttp_sm_combo_randomizer_rom

alttp_sm_combo_randomizer_rom - ALTTP & Super Metroid Combo Randomizer ROM changes

Oh jeez.

oh good, the ASM nightmares from arch&org were just starting to fade away after ~15 long years, i needed a nice booster shot

Yeah, I was going to download and compile it but I don't have enough liquor in me to want to.

how do you set it up to where you can click on the tracker and continue to play at the same time

you need to configure your emulator so that it doesn't pause when its out of focus, and can still recieve input @Matt (Strokentotem)

08:52

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08:52

these two settings

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wow, thanks for that! I haven't figured the second one!

I can not find the Application_settings.json?

I don't see a twitch icon on emutracker.

@Blackjac did you add your channel name to your application_settings.json?

yeah and when I start the tracker it's black

21:23

just a blank black page.

Most likely culprit is a missing comma.

21:24

Did you copy+paste the line in the announcement?

yeah

21:24

including the , at the end

Could be a missing quotation mark too. Did you delete those when entering your channel name, maybe?

nope

21:26

I got it. It was adding twitch.tv in the channel name. I just put Blackjac and it worked

One more question about the !hud commands. is there a command for green pendant and red crystals?

Yep. The codes are pendant, greenpendant, crystal56 and crystal. So to change East Palace to the green pendant, you'd type !hud ep greenpendant

awesome thanks

There's also mm, tr, both, and none for bombos, ether and quake.

21:52

Basically, if you look in items.json within the pack you're using, the "codes" and "secondary_codes" fields are what you'd use for each item.

yeah I noticed those commands, but didn't see anything about changing to green pendant or 56 crystal.

I can't seem to get the hud to work? I got the Twitch to connect.

22:14

I am an idiot... I forgot to put my twitch name in the command. :p

22:15

It is working now :p

lol. That actually makes me wonder if there's a Twitch account named your_channel_name_here.

could anyone take a screenshot of what there Documents/EmoTracker/application_settings.json should look like, not matter where i add the twitch name stuff to it just doesnt appear to be working

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@Tomothy thank you it appears to be working

1

Tracker says I can get to magic bat without the hammer? Is that really possible or a bug?

You can with the mirror. It’s an awkward position

ok, thanks!

hey im new to using item trackers. is there support to auto update items found? or is it all manual?

Check #faq for a full answer. Short answer:nope

oooo didnt even see the faq. thank you

is the map not implemented for V27?

00:36

not open mode

There are some packs that include the maps and some that don't. The listing in the package manager should show "items only" for the ones that don't include maps.

00:48

Also, the Open Mode package works for most other randomizer modes, except Keysanity, which has its own packages.

what do i change the "default_permissions" value to to make it available for anybody in chat to use?

@EmoSaru

I'll have to check when I get home

18:48

I forget, as nobody has wanted that setting in my testing

18:49

I believe it exists tho

@chauncyjay - okay, I take it back. That doesn't exist yet. You can whitelist users though... In general, I would tend to recommend against allowing literally anybody who happens into chat to mess with you hud, but I will add this if it's important to you.

19:55

FYI, you can also add Subscriber

19:55

As in Moderator, Subscriber IIRC

Hey I've got a question. Is there a specific command to toggle the Silver arrows with the Twitch chat command? The common abbreviations (silvers, silverarrows) don't seem to work for me.

Should note that I am using Foutons PugHUD Package for Items and I only noticed the problem with the Silver Arrows. Everything else works fine via chat command. (edited)

Hmm. The item code seems to be correct. I wonder if it's because @Fouton (PugHUD) set up the icon as a progressive toggle instead of a composite toggle.

Yep, changing that fixed the problem.

for progressive toggles

10:59

!hud bow silvers should work

Ok. I wasn't sure whether that would work or not since he didn't specify silvers as a secondary code. Good to know that works too.

if he didn't, then it won't

11:01

or if it does, it's happenstance

I tested it and it works.

In general, ChatHUD usability is pretty dependent on the pack author to specify usable codes

11:02

The EmoTracker items only packs should be relatively well setup for it, but that's all I vouch for personally

11:11

Ill look into how chathud codes work to make sure all my packs function correctly, including SM

Oh alright, yeah that works for me. Thank you guys.

Ill update it to work on !hud silvers if someone teaches me how

All I did was change the bow to a toggle and copy+pasted the bowandsilvers composite toggle from Emo's pack and changed the code for the images to match what's in your pack. Works fine that way. (edited)

11:23

// Bow + Silvers { "name": "Bow and Arrows", "type": "composite_toggle", "codes": "bowandarrows", "item_left": "bow", "item_right": "silvers", "images": [ { "left": false, "right": false, "img": "images/0000.png", "img_mods": "@disabled" }, { "left": true, "right": false, "img": "images/0000.png" }, { "left": false, "right": true, "img": "images/silver_arrow.png" }, { "left": true, "right": true, "img": "images/0049.png" } ] },

That reminds me I need to make some updates for the Z2R package for chathud support. Unless I got it right by accident before.

I am very new to this, but I didn't see a FAQ or anything for EMO tracker. What do the different colors on the map mean? I am using "Open Mode (v28)"

It's on the faq on discord

#faq

Ah, I am sorry. I didn't see that

12:02

Thank you

np ^^

i believe. green is you can do, yellow is you can do with some glitches or skill, red is generally no go?

Ah okay. and Blue is you can check to see what it is, but not get it

ye

One other question, I was doing the escape from the castle to the santuary, I looted what looked like a super bomb x5 from one of the chests.

12:04

What does the super bomb icon indicate?

is it the gold bomb?

12:04

if so then it raises max bomb capacity

Yeah, the one you would usually use to open the pyramid it looked like

12:04

Ah okay, that must have been it

and i think it gives some bombs if you have none? not sure about that tho

Okay, because I did read the fairy in lake Hylia doesnt do the donations for bomb upgrades. or arrow upgrades

nah, just gives you items

Just kinda putzing my way through my first run ever of this.

12:07

I know the original game pretty well, but as fancy as I ever got was doing mire before the ice palace to skip that puzzle

12:07

With the cane of somaria.

The Moldorm Cave guy won't talk to me/give me an item? Why would that be?

Hey folks, I'd prefer it if "game learning" discussion happens in #general , rather than a support channel. Even better if you do it in the discord for the game itself.

12:39

While the tracker is a great tool for learning the game, I do monitor these channels to look for genuine issues.

Hey so I want to do a randomizer race with someone who’s new at the game and I want to handicap myself I was wondering is it possible to make two randomizer roms exactly the same but one is swordless?

ill race you

id do one also

This is a great question for the main randomizer discord

Nah I’m not that good myself and I’d rather do it with someone I know

and lose

and not in the support forum for a tracker

Okay I’ll go there

also this tracker is nice

but you already got 2 peeps? D:

thx

yea the ui is super clean

this tracker is in fact, top tier

All day emosaru lol

all praise our benevolent overlord?

Praise be

heya! is there a way to save the tracker progress?

#faq

ty

hello. is there a way to edit the chathud commands?

Nope.

Is there any way to manually install packages?

For unofficial packs, you can download the zip file to /Documents/EmoTracker/packs. As long as it has the json files in the proper locations, EmoTracker should see it and include it in the list of installed packs automatically.

Thanks. Its an official pack, i just have no internet

That's my issue right now.

Which pack?

Sm/alttp item tracker.

There you go. I assume you're using your phone and can transfer the zip from your phone to your computer.

alttsm_itemsonly_fouton.zip

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Do i unzip in the packs file or leave it zipped

Leave it zipped

Ok thats the problem then. Thanks!

thanks for the answer regarding the chathud commands

Yeah, if you have specific things you'd like to be able to do with chathud commands, let me know. I'm open to suggestions, in #suggestions

which function does the GO button have?

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It doesn't. The go button is something you can click on once you're in go mode.

15:50

It doesn't turn on by itself though, and that functionality isn't going to be added.

oh ok

is there any way to make the tracker any larger?

Yep. If you extract an override for the tracker_layout.json, you can add "scale": 2, to the item grid.

is there commands to like mark a dungeon as pendent+, pendent or crystal+ as well as in keysanity to mark the keys gained and the big key

yes, e.g.

!hud ep pendant !hud toh greenpendant !hud mm crystal56 !hud tr crystal !hud ep_bigkey !hud dp_smallkey

@JRJathome I'm not entirely sure how to do this. I found the tracker_layout.json in my Documents folder for some reason inside a zip in a 'packs' folder. Extracted that .json, edited in the "scale": 2, as suggested, and overwrote the file. Didn't seem to do anything.

14:13

I put the "scale" bit in-between "disabled_image_filter" and "layouts"

14:14

maybe if I add it after "type": "item_grid",?

Oh, don't overwrite the files in the original zip file. Those get erased if the pack has an update. Within the tracker, click the gear menu>Packages>Export Overrides>Tracker Layout. This creates a new json in Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides/[pack name]

14:17

As for where to put "scale": 2, anywhere within the "shared_item_grid" section, but before the line that says "rows" should work.

okay, that made the icons bigger, but the window is still the same size

Which pack are you using?

alttp_sm_combo

The items only packs have fixed sizes in their layouts

Ah, ok. At the bottom are two fields for width and height

you need to change the window size too

14:25

either manually or add "//" at the front to have it scale automatically (edited)

You do have to provide a width value

14:25

Otherwise the layout state can end up indeterminate for the title bar

14:25

So it’ll resize to the length of the title string (edited)

14:26

Which is not what you want

ahh, makes sense

Height is fine to leave automatic though

perfect, thanks!

@EmoSaru thanks raysL

raysL

i tried ep pendent+ i didn't think of the commands to be that raysL

raysL

The boomerangs would be !hud Boomerang or !hud magicboomerang?

!hud blue_boomerang !hud red_boomerang (edited)

ah

bluemarang and redmarang works, too

I'm sure this has been asked, addressed before, but how would I actually get the chat commands to work? I'm not familiar with the SRAM trace thing or how to set it up.

As said in #announcements, there's a JSON file titled application_settings.json in Documents/EmoTracker. You just need to open that up in notepad and add "twitch_channel": "unknownavailability", after the line that says "last_active_package" This will make a Twitch icon appear at the bottom of the tracker once you've restarted it. Right clicking on that will give you the option to connect. If you look in the items.json for the pack you're using, you'll see each item has a "codes" field. Those are what you'd use with the !hud command to activate and deactivate items. Emo's got more info on the !hud command in #faq. (edited)

Sweet thanks, for the direction and instruction both.

is there a way to mark something that is "inaccessible" as cleared, for example, if you are a doing a glitches run?

I believe you'd need a different pack for that. I know @jaysee was working on a glitches pack.

Do you mean that it's a pack setting that you can't mark it or do you mean I need a new pack where they are no longer marked inaccessible?

12:14

Like could I go in and edit the pack to allow me to do what I asked?

12:15

rather than change the requirements

Jaysee's pack uses Overworld Glitch logic, so more locations are marked as accessible. I don't believe it's possible to mark off an inaccessible location.

12:25

Here's the pack if you're interested. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/386962380548079619/419199900845211648/alttprando_v28_owgautoboots_open_jaysee87.zip

Thanks!

I'm adding an option soon to allow manipulating locations regardless of accessibility

13:08

but Jaysee's glitch packs are a good thing

13:08

and will be published to the package server soon

Soon!

sombreroguy

13:29

Oh right I need to finish the main glitched pack

Do we have a list of commands for chathud? Is there a reset command?

All commands can be found in #faq (edited)

14:34

To reset, just use !hud reset, or if you're the streamer, you can also press F5.

Yeah, it worked for me, but not for my mod, which, when I think about it, kind of makes sense

Reset is a streamer only command

15:25

For reasons

Lol, yeah, I figured that out. I did take a moment to write up a chathud command cheat sheet if anyone is interested

so, is there a twitch command to downgrade a sword in case someone makes a mistake? I've tried everything I can think of and can't figure out if there is one

!hud sword down

thanks Emo! You're amazing!

np

Hello all! Is it possible to rearrange the items in the tracker?

Very - look around in #customization-support and ask questions there

Ah! Sorry! Thank you!

Hmm for some reason the Tracker has been crashing for me every so often

greetings. the tracker crashes sometimes if i enable chathud and my connection dies. did anybody experience something similiar? is it even possible that the crash is related to the chathud/connection-thingy?

I'm surprised it's crashing, but that would be indicative of a bug in the twitch library I'm using.

17:47

By connection dying, do you mean your entire internet connection dying?

yep

17:55

the tracker does not respond after the connection loss

how do i manually install a pack to the tracker? currently trying to install the OoT pack

Just save the zip file in Documents/EmoTracker/packs.

@any - the entire tracker local interface, or just the twitch chat integration?

the entire interface iirc

kk, I will do some experiments locally to try to reproduce this

02:00

thanks for the info

thank you very much

Good news - I found and fixed the issue. It will go out with the next version release, hopefully this weekend.

you're amazing

thank you

Ohhhh it's under documents. Thanks @JRJathome

Is there a linux version of emotracker? A friend of mine, who I'd like to race with, has linux as his OS.

@any the same thing happens to me

It's windows only due to the framework used.

06:50

He could try and see if it works through wine, but that would come with no official support if it doesn't (edited)

I haven't tried it yet, but I don't see why WINE won't handle it. I can play with it a little tomorrow.

WPF is why. Good luck, but FYI anything you get working, if anything, is not something I can provide support for.

it's unlikely to ever work on a non-Windows platform unless it could be reasonably be ported to the Silverlight subset of WPF

It’s not entirely impossible, but I’m extraordinarily disinterested in doing it. Bearer of bad news and all, but Linux isn’t worth the headache, user-wise.

Mono works on Mac too

It’s more likely that I partner with somebody on an HTML5/JS version of the platform than ever focusing on either of those things. If I built it for Mac, I’d build it using mono but with the cocoa bindings.

ah

The main thing is that the native app version is AGGRESSIVELY data bound in the amazing ways that full WPF allows, so any other platform is going to be a substantial UI rewrite.

ah right

At which point I might as well focus on the one thing that makes it work universally - HTML5/JS

does Silverlight not support that part of WPF? (I don't know anything about WPF really)

It’s a subset of WPF as it existed when Silverlight was forked and then effectively died.

ahh ok

That’s not an entirely accurate summary

11:51

But sufficed to say, it’s different

yeah fair enough

The only real thing they share is XAML as a format

how do i make the oot tracker work ? it's not in the official pack thing ? pieThink

pieThink

it's going to be, shortly

Emo, I'm making some last minute changes for that if you wanna hold off a couple minutes.

too late, lol

21:49

I can republish later tho

21:49

just bump the version number and send it to me

lol ok

will the oot tracker get a map ? i don't know all the chest locations pieS

pieS

(edited)

I was actually just thinking about building a pack for maps for OOT random, but I don't know how to go about building a package for the tracker.

Spleebie and Hamsda are each working on a map pack, I believe.

i try updating the oot items only pack i have in emotracker but it keeps telling me an update is available

Is it a zip file, or did you unzip it? If you have an unzipped package in Documents/EmoTracker/packages it will override the new zipped package and prevent the update from “taking”

12:06

Regardless, if you are having issues, close the tracker, delete the package, and install it via the package manager again.

I did not unzip

am i the only one who needs to constantly re-select the source for emotracker in OBS?

06:57

or is that a known bug / missing feature

I can tell you I don't have that issue. Are you using the broadcast view window you can access by pressing F2 or the regular window?

regular window

07:04

had the same issue with broadcast view too IIRC

07:05

but i don't see a ton of value from broadcast view since without additional config its just the same view with some padding along the edges

07:05

(and without the need to crop the title bar)

07:05

and personally i like the idea of showing the mouse cursor selecting the items on stream

I do know for the regular window the title changes based on what pack you're using so I thought it might be that.

Yeah, make sure in ObS that your capture is set to match application AND title

12:03

Also, the point of the broadcast view is that it’s customizable separately from the tracker ui

12:03

Not everybody does, but lots do, and it’s pretty powerful

I customized my broadcast view to take fewer rows, so it fits below my game window on my stream layout

The best thing to do is check the new items.json in the pack zip for the new codes

12:59

And then modify your broadcast layout to use them

12:59

Fouton changed codes to make them more sensible, but it does break things like this

12:59

If you don’t leave the old codes in place too

Yeah, if you want to keep your personal layout you can go in and change superbombs to powerbombs, and bosses to their actual names, those were the code changes

13:01

In the override files that is (edited)

Heyo, question for anyone here I guess, I'm getting into OoT randomizer and I was wondering how it would be possible to add the "freebie" section

I've left the codes for the freebie section in the pack. Use the tracker to export an override. Within the override json, you'll see a bunch of item codes that represent the icons on the tracker. To add the freebie section, just add the codes free_label and free_prize to that layout.

19:01

There's also additional item codes available for those who want to customize their overlay. I made a txt file describing them inside the zip file for the pack.

Thank you, my apologies.

Trying to play Oot randomizer in project 64 full screen, is there anyway to use the tracker on top of the game?

not really, that would require a DirectX injection thing, it's extremely complicated and fraught with danger, lol

just use obs layout if you have to do something like that

20:47

you can actually project sources on obs to your monitor lol

20:48

I'll do a mockup example

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How did you make the background transparent @ShadeVortex

right click the source, go to filters, add a chroma key filter, set the color to the same color as the background, set the similarity and smoothness and color spill reduction to 1, opacity to 100 (edited)

Thank you very much!

it is kinda finicky though, as you can see all the disabled icons became transparent, and you can only see the lid of the bottle lmao

assuming you're using broadcast view

21:15

you can export a broadcast layout override and edit the background color to something distinct, to make it easier to chroma key

21:15

it's a bit challenging with OOT tho, because the items have a pretty wide range of colors

I'll find a way around eventually

When i get it imma share it around

so wait how do i change the background color

you can export a broadcast layout override for the active pack from the gear menu, which will plop a json file into Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides/<pack_name>

21:18

you can edit that file to change the color

21:18

then hit F5 in the tracker to reload it

21:19

for any further questions with this stuff, I recommend #customization-support

thanks

I figured out a better solution and posted it there lol

When I click on the link on the welcome channel, nothing shows up

nvm i got it

is it possible to make the item tracker non-responsive?

07:55

Right now, if I add pinned locations, its shrinking the item-list

?

09:53

What pack are you using and can you post screenshots of the change?

sorry, I was away

11:35

hold on

11:36

https://streamable.com/iag5v

2018-06-07_20-29-28.mp4 - Streamable

11:37

as smaller I make the general window, as less pinned locations I can add without distorting the item-list

11:38

I thought there might be just a boolean I could set to false in order to make it non-responsive

Ah, that is the expected behavior

11:42

The alternative is to make pinned locations scroll

11:42

But that makes the tracker much slower to use

11:43

The expected user experience was never to have loads and loads of locations pinned, but the ootr pack here does run into the issue earlier because of how big each location is

11:44

The items are not changing size, btw (edited)

11:44

It’s just the container around them that’s growing to satisfy the layout

Perhaps having map tabs for locations with high chest counts could help mitigate that somewhat. That could add more location pins with fewer chests per pin, but it would mean more clicking back and forth for players. A separate map tab for Adult Only locations might also help cut the bloat in Kakariko and Lake Hylia.

I could also add a scroll viewer layout element, but pack authors would have to opt into using it

speaking of chest pins how come it combines all the chests into one thing when you pin them but when you just check it on the map they're separate

11:58

at least for the tracker i was using (hamsda's)

It’s true for all packs

11:58

It’s to make the pinned locations more compact

11:58

So you can have more

11:59

That said, having very long section names can start to hurt rhat

12:01

There is actually support for a short name that is used in the compact/pinned view, but it falls back to the standard name.

yeah initially I started out with making a location for every house basically, similar to alttp, but oots map is very clustered and when i started out there was no option to change the size of the locations

12:11

but adult/child split would make the maps even bigger

Why bigger?

as in 2 maps would need even more space to see anything on them with oots stupid map layout

With tabs, they don’t both have to be visible at once

12:36

You could switch between them

I'm doing today's lttp daily seed and accidentally marked something off, how do i get it back on my map so i can check it when i actually have the item that unlocks the location

F11

❤

Is the download broken? The main page on the site seems to have problems, and when I download the exe it's not downloading the whole thing and causing run errors

The webpage at emosaru.com is just holding content - pay it no mind. I’m not aware of any download issues though...

08:42

I was just able to download and run the installer successfully.

I managed to get it just now using a different browser but firefox only downloads a 4MB file for some reason

08:48

I can send you it if you'd like, but I doubt it would be any help

Yeah, not much I would be able to do about it, unfortunately.

I'm glad you got it to work though!

weird, hopefully it doesn't happen to anyone else. Thanks!

Also emo possibly add a link to this discord to your website thing when you search emotracker on google it comes to a website that is kinda broken or blank

That's good feedback - getting a proper website setup has been on my list for a while, but... life.

...and done.

That was quick.

I added a link to the blank page that was there, lol.

12:20

There's still no real website

lol

is there way to save my current tracker incase i accidently close it out so i can resume later?

#faq

Screenshot is about it

missed that sorry @JRJathome thanks tho

No problem.

Getting a "trojan threat" when trying to update to 1.5. What's up with that?

Is it Windows Defender, or you anti-virus?

Defender

Defender always pops up a warning because it's an unsigned publisher

Trojan:Win32/Cloxer.D!cl

12:03

Is what it says

wut

12:03

ummmmmmm

12:03

let me check on my machine, one sec

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12:04

1.0 installs fine, but when I try to download the update directly from the tracker itself, it gives me this

wtaf, one sec

12:06

Is anybody else seeing this?

12:06

I'm unable to repro here yet

I just came back from vacation to the update, so not sure what's going on

my window's defender did popup with something when I downloaded the setup, but looking at the defender center doesn't show any threats

^

The setup isn't giving me the warning. It's the update that's doing it

That is the setup

12:07

The setup is the update

12:08

All update does is download the new setup file, close the tracker, and launch it

I guess lemme try redownloading a new exe

I would be concerned that something else on your machine is potentially infected

12:08

and patching things

12:08

but I dunno

Was running fine before my vacation. I just got back and turned on my pc and got the update and bam

I've verified that I'm up to date on windows defender on my end...

I guess lemme do a few scans and see

12:10

Maybe I have an update to WD

I'd like to know the file size of the exe in that folder it's listing

I removed the threat and am running a scan

ok

The setup was 14,763 kb

oh right, because it's the old version

12:13

unfortunately I don't know what size that one was

Is the tracker download link on the welcome page?

12:18

Now I'm getting this when I download it

12:18

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12:18

Guess I'm running a scan on my pc

12:20

Or maybe you guys have already set it to allow something like that, so you aren't getting the popup? Idk

12:20

I've tried downloading other things, and I don't get any error messages at all. It's only when I download the tracker exe

yep, that's the link

12:21

also it's exactly the same exe that the in-app update downloads

12:22

when you try downloading that, does it pop up when the download finishes, or when you try to run it?

It finishes the download, then defender pops up saying threat

12:22

Then removes the download

what web browser are you using to download it?

Chrome

Windows 10?

12:23

Or earlier

Win10 pro

k

Quick scan on the computer came back with 0 threats

12:24

I even left the exe on my desktop so it'd scan

can you tell me the actual size of the downloaded exe? The latest version?

12:24

You'll need to right click > properties on it, I need the exact size

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just a thought i had

12:26

try downloading it on a virtual machine to see if same thing happens

that would be a good test, if they have one setup

12:27

but first I would really like to know the file size of the exe they downloaded

The download tells me 16mb, but I can't check it unless I allow this

my advice, allow it, but DO NOT run it

12:28

because I want to know if you've actually downloaded something that passes as my exe

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Okay that file is at least the correct size

That's directly from the welcome page

can you double check that your virus definitions are up to date?

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can you please run this...

12:32

notepad %windir%/system32/Drivers/etc/hosts

12:32

and let me know what it says

12:32

if there are any lines that don't start with #, I would like to know

All have #

ok

12:36

I have tried downloading this in every browser I own, including edge, which does its own additional security scanning - nothing

I have no idea

Unfortunately, I don't think there's much I can do to help

Is there anything in your "allowed" section?

What allowed section are you referring to?

In Windows Defender

right, but like, folders to ignore, firewall, which are you asking about?

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12:39

On the main page, it just gives you an allowed threats section

one sec, checking something

12:42

no, I don't have any history there

12:42

and I also just force updated MY defender virus definitions

12:42

and still not detecting anything

emo, do you still have the older version of the setup?

sadly no, I do not

np, i still have it

12:43

14.5 mb or so

I have that exe

either way, based on the way this is working, they're not going to be able to update

12:43

since it's flagging the new installer on download

12:45

there is like next to no information on this trojan online either

yea, most things i have seen are pretty recent

I haven't even found any pages actually describing the attack - they're all entirely generic "how to remove a trojan" pages spun up by click baiters

pretty much

this looks to be the only thing that says more than just the get rid of it

12:47

Mostly, it bundles itself with free applications, torrent files, games, media files etc. that you download from untrusted sites.

12:48

its only hitting one person tho

yeah, which is bizarre

so no idea

I definitely don't recommend allowing the threat

12:48

but you can exclude the file

"He went on vacation, get him!"

Basically, I can tell you that so long as you have the actual file from that address, and it hasn't been tampered with somewhere along the way, it is safe

12:49

I have no idea what would be flagging it

12:49

which is why I can't fix it

12:49

I use innoSetup for my installer, which is pretty standard and generally well recognized by virus scanners

It's just worrysome that says Trojan is all

one thing that i think can be done

12:50

just making a zip file of the latest installed version

I'm gonna do a full pc scan

I'm not terribly interested in not using an installer

But if what I'm reading around the internet, it could just hide itself from my scans

yea, it does skip that

Checking up on Reddit to see if it's something different. Been reading a lot about recent defender update having lots of false positives

13:04

I was told to run it through virustotal, and it came out completely clean

13:05

Wonder why I'm still getting an error

13:09

Full scan will be done in 5 minutes. So I'll see what's going on with that

13:09

Chances are, I'll allow this one and run the setup

kk

"This detection, made possible by cloud-based machine learning, defends against multiple types of emerging malware that perform various malicious actions on your PC."

13:15

So, it's a heuristic detection, and probably crap.

I'm reading a lot that the D!cl stuff is false positives

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13:17

https://www.virustotal.com/#/file/b9a973ef549b24b3548573892a04bcdfa2e73960d83ac4ae5e85314bb0de5adc/detection

13:21

After reading all of that, what do you think I should do? Allow it?

I mean, I would.

13:24

Having run the exact same file with no issues.

Yeah but where is this error message even coming from? Is the better question

No clue

When i checked it with virustotal, there wasn't anything that indicated that specific trojan file in it at all

I'm specifically not going to offer any advice on what to do here, mostly because I can't take responsibility for anything that happens, just FYI. Doesn't mean I don't agree with others, I just can't say so.

No, I understand

13:26

I wish this board was more active on reddit, so I can get a more definitive answer

Because that detection is not a specific trojan.

13:26

It's a heuristic that spotted something that it thinks maybe possibly looked like something else that may have been an actual trojan one time.

By why indicate it as a trojan though?

I don't know how those scanners work.

13:28

I'd tend to argue that they don't.

13:30

Heuristics are the virus scanner equivalent of playing the Hitler card in an argument.

Well I allowed the thing to download the file, then reblocked it

13:31

Ran the exe, and it's working

But I'm still not sure lol

"This program creates a directory in My Documents. You know what else created directories there? The Melissa virus."

13:31

rooScared

Oh you changed the tracker for SM?

I didn't, but the pack author did

Not sure why I was getting that error for that though

13:33

Really confused.

13:34

I had it installed way before. But never saw that.

13:34

I swear it's probably because of the update to defender

13:34

Anyway, thanks for the assistance with everything

No problem, I'm glad you're functional

13:35

If it's because of creating folders in Documents, then like, ugh

13:35

I have zero desire to instruct people on how to root around in AppData, lol

Yeah I know Microsoft doesn't want anything running on their platforms other than Microsoft licensed software (lol apple amirite), but damn. Lemme install what I want to my machine

Unfortunately, I think %%AppData%% is the new “put settings in the documents folder.” Though, I’ve seen others like Minecraft make a dot folder for some reason (.minecraft).

It is, for settings that aren't routinely edited by end users

.folder is a common notation on Unix for hidden files and the convention has moved to windows as well

17:08

Actually I think .folder (or file) might be the only way to mark a file as hidden in Unix. Since lots of developers either like or are convinced they should like Unix they mark their windows files in the same way even though the "." isn't what makes it hidden in windows. Same principle as using appdata though. They put things in there they don't expect users to ever need to see, much less modify.

Ahh. I see.

But anyone who has used Unix or Linux in any extended purpose knows it's there. I believe it's more you can't see it, you can't hurt it. Since most windows users are casual and not power users, the .hidden mentality still works. (edited)

ello ello. i have a question.

12:49

how do i get the emotracker to sync up to my twitch channel?

12:49

how does it get to pick up my chat

12:49

and pick up !hud

SEe #announcements

12:53

There are instructions on editing a file to add your twitch channel to

12:53

It's up a few announcements

@Migs i will take a look. thank you, kind soul.

is there a way to get rid of the pinned locations section from the tracker? and just have the maps and the items?

Sorry, I'm not familiar enough with it, I don't use the maps

i kinda figured something out

thank you thank you

It requires a tracker layout override, check out #customization-support and ask for help there

14:14

But also make sure you’re capturing the broadcast view

14:14

It’s built for streamers, and is fully customizable

its actually awesome @EmoSaru very well done. i will certainly take a look in #customization-support thank you very much

I'm not sure where I'm supposed to ask this, but I have a question about the number at the bottom of the OoT tracker. I know they represent chests in the different areas and I believe they don't include compass and map, but what about boss keys and small keys?

They wouldn't.

11:09

(also pack-support for pack-specific questions is best, but this worked)

What wouldn't? specifically

Boss keys, small keys, map, compass wouldn't count towards those numbers. (edited)

11:14

Those numbers, in basically every pack, represent the number of items from the general item pool.

alright cool, so any other item (including those stupid blue rupees) would be a part of that counter. Thanks!

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Hey all! Has anyone had any luck with using Wine/Winetricks to run the tracker on os x?

As it uses WPF very heavily, I would be surprised if it works. That said, if you can make it happen, more power to you.

Cool - thanks! It's a great tracker!

Could anyone tell me the chat commands to allow specific users for the chat HUD feature?

#faq

Woops, sorry.

Please don't feel singled out by my post in #announcements - that post was months in the making.

Is there a way to disable pinned locations from the broadcast view?

the pinned locations display is just part of the broadcast layout for the pack. Feel free to override and remove it. See #customization-support

Hey, just got into randomizers recently after playing ALttPSM, was wondering in the EmoTracker for ALttPR Open, what is the empty space in the King Zora and Ledge icon for? Where you select the outlined box and pick an item for it?

Those are places where you can see what the item is even though you might not have the equipment to reach it. So if it's important, you can mark what it is as a reminder to pick it up when you can.

Oh, got it. Also, is there a way to undo right clicking a box to bring the box back on the map? Cause isnt it supposed to go gray, not disappear?

Pressing F11 will make all the locations appear. From there, you can pin the location and right-click the chest to undo it.

Ah, lovely, thanks!

Um, next dumb question, how can I get to the rest of Dark world without Power Glove or Magic Hammer?

This is really a question for the Z3 rando discord

oh youre right my bad

but, you can beat aga and take the hyrule castle portal (the gate)

23:52

if you have flippers and hookshot, you can swim up and hookshot across to get to the west side of dark world

wow ive never done that in LttP, these randomizers teach me new tricks all the time.

23:53

Thank you though

np

I'm having a weird error with downloading packages through EmoTracker. I click Install on one of the packages and the bar fills up, but then the program glitches out and doesn't install the package. Any ideas on what I could do?

Your antivirus is most likely fighting you. Try disabling it temporarily or adding an exclusion for Documents/EmoTracker

Yep, that was it. Thanks for your help!

Quick question, what is the green GO for?

For pack-specific questions, I recommend #pack-support. That said, it's just an indicator you can toggle on to signal that you're in go mode.

Got it

hey guys, is there a way to SAVE your layout so that you don't have to set it up again everytime?

21:25

I tried exporting, but I'm not sure where it exports the file to

I'm confused. Are you wanting to save your progress so you can continue your run later? If so, that's not happening. Exporting a layout is for customizing your tracker.

when I resize the window, then capture it with OBS it works great. Then when I close the tracker, and open it again later, it would be nice if the same size and layout configuration would remain

21:29

i.e. swapping left for right, where the map is, etc. etc.

Ah. So exporting a layout creates a json file in Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides/[pack name]. I actually recommend exporting the broadcast layout and using OBS to capture that. (Press F2 to open the broadcast window). The broadcast window doesn't show the map by default, so if you want your map to be captured, I recommend reading through #customization-support. Spleebie managed to get it working in the broadcast layout about a month ago. (edited)

Currently, EmoTracker doesnt remember its settings (aside from what package is open) upon closing, including window location, size, etc, so you would want to go into the pack settings and try to get the layout changes yourself (edited)

unfortunately I know nothing about that sort of thing LOL

I dont know anything about map related tracking or Id try to help, I just know how to set the generic window size of a package

maybe someday they'll add the ability for the tracker to remember what its last window size was

Is showing the map on stream what you want, or is only the items fine?

I kinda wanted to show the map on stream, but I didn't want to have to fiddle with resizing every time

21:42

the broadcast window is perfect btw

This is what @Spleebie changed his broadcast window to last month. Maybe something like this would work? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/388167481916653571/446560469860483072/unknown.png

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yes thats exactly what i'm looking for

I imagine its a matter of adding width and height to the tracker

yeah that's what I did for the alttp pack. you have to put the map in a container with a fixed size

Hey! wierd, the download links for emotracker dont work for me

07:35

accualy it did! the computer just didnt say anithing hehe

is there a tracker for metroid and link to the past?

yes

where can i get it? ive googled it and cant find it

There's a SMZ3 pack for this tracker

downlode the tracker click the arrow on the top of the screen dawnlode AlttSM

It'll be under PugHUD packages, 5th in the list, if you havent found it yet Elm

Hello, I just downloaded and installed the tracker but I'm unable to install any packages, I click install and it freezes for a few seconds but nothing seems to have updated/happened. Any ideas? Thanks.

It's likely your virus scanner preventing the downloads from completing cleanly

16:38

We've had cases of some overzealous protection software

ok

Check its quarantine, and consider adding an exclusion for Documents/EmoTracker

i have Avast just fyi, I'll figure it out

16:40

yep, got it working. Just disabled it temporarily and it fixed. Thanks.

I've just started up Bizhawk and my rom. Is there a way to use a Gamecube controller for any N64 game?

Not really the place to ask since this is just support for EmoTracker

True, I kind of forgot that part

But I am like 60% sure the gamecube adapter for the wiiu works with pc

17:53

That may be the only way

I believe this is what Willard uses to connect his gamecube controller. https://smile.amazon.com/Mayflash-GameCube-Controller-Adapter-Switch/dp/B00RSXRLUE

Yeah actual retro controllers is not my area of expertise

I'll take "Things that are not related to EmoTracker support" for 1000

17:55

#off-topic

"general support" is clearly support for everything, even my toaster being broken, right? Kappa

Kappa

@Hamsda , did you plug it and try sticking a screwdriver in it? It has to be plugged in or nothing happens. Lol.

Please don't make me start deleting messages in here.

Out here running seeds in the field

CAn someone enlighten me on Rolling goron as child. Do I need goron ruby to get reward or to clear dodongo and one time I had both and the guy didn't seem to give me a reward. Do I need to bomb him in the back area?

This is a support discord for Emotracker. You'd do better to ask in the OoT Rando discord.

I'm so sorry wrong discord.

What are the chathud commands? I got !hud bow to work for alttp but the others don't seem to for me, atleast based on the faq

chathud commands vary depending on the pack. If you look in the items.json, you'll see each one has a code. Those codes are what you'd use for chathud.

Ahhh okay ty ^^

20:52

That showed me specific commands, but it doesn't seem to show things like !hud, or !hudremove or whichever.

20:52

I can toggle things on but not off atm

!hud item off should turn them off. (edited)

Oh item is the item itself my bad

21:37

ty

21:38

Yep it worked ty lol

Is there a way to have EmoTracker have a column look ?

all the packs look very different and you can customize them how you personally want to with user overrides

user overrides + a bit of playing around with JSON can get you pretty much whatever.

Ah I see, I know nothing about how to do any of that...was hoping for a option somewhere I could check XD

When I try to open emotracker's broadcast view I just get a small unexpandable box with no info on it

Which tracker

hamsda map tracker

20:57

the oot one

20:58

I guess I can deal without but it does seem strange because it used to work just fine for me

if you have an override, you might be screwing it up

21:10

I define the broadcast layout in the tracker layout file

21:10

because it is used for vertical tracker layout as well (edited)

I dont know of this is the correct channel for this but i wanted to give a bit of feedback on the Hamsda tracker and ask some questions. I dont know if it is intended but im sure you noticed that already, some checks you unlock for adult link get marked green for child link as well if you pulled MS. Some examples are basicaly every grotto if you have hammer but no bombs, the Hylia Tower HP, the guru guru song and the bombable grotto in crater (not 100% sure about this one but i think it isnt there as child). Is this beacause of technical limitations or because of how the logic works? The second thing i'd like to ask is if it would be possible to grey a dungeon out if you found all items without checking of the single chests. Personally I only use the chest count if i double dip and only mark my overall progression. i could just ignore that it is still marked on the map but everytime i see that is stillt green it bothers me xD so i usally click all chests open (what isnt too bad but it would be an improvement if there wouldnt be aneed for that)

cant you just right-click the dungeon once you got all items?

didnt know that was a thing thx

yeah the map thing for child/adult is a technical limitation at the moment. emo is planning to implement filtering based on map, which will allow me to only show it on the map you can actually access the item

06:52

and yeah, either here or via pm is probably the best to tell us about bugs/feedback for the trackers

The three JRJathome packs i have installed (the oot ones) show up as not installed, all other packs do show up as installed anyone know what is going on here?

08:41

I now got the second pack to show up as installed, but not the other two

As long as the zip files show up in Documents/EmoTracker/packs, then they've downloaded correctly. I've seen similar bugs with the newer packs.

08:57

Have you checked the list of installed packs to see if they've been added?

The issue is that they don't show up in the package manager, i can still use them

09:39

They don't show up in the package manager so i don't know when there has been an update

Have you restarted and updated the tracker recently?

10:23

If not, please do so.

I don't know what you mean by updating the tracker, I just update it when i start it and it says there is a new update

10:25

I close the tracker every time i finish a seed so that is not the problem

Can you post a screenshot of your package manager?

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yeah it's not showing the items only pack by jrj for me either, even though the zip is in the packs folder rooThink

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This can happen if the pack owner changed the UID for the pack since whatever version you downloaded. Not sure if that's happened in this case, but if you don't have any overrides you care about, I recommend deleting your zip file and reinstalling it via the package manager.

10:54

(or in general if there's a mismatch between the UID in the repository and the zip file)

10:54

Tagging @JRJathome so he's aware

I deleted the zip and reinstalled it via the package manager, and it still has the same issue

That's indicative of a bad UID in either the zip file or the repository.

I'll double check.

Make sure it looks that way after a tracker restart.

10:58

Also, please check to see if you have an override folder for that pack, and if so, try removing it and restarting the tracker.

10:58

Documents/EmoTracker/user_overrides

I do not even have any overrides so i don't have that folder

kk

10:59

in that case we'll see what jr turns up

Found 1 typo in one of my manifest jsons and and another in my repository json. Whoops. I'll get that fix sent out.

Alright. Hopefully that fixes it.

11:07

Should tag @jaysee as well since I'm having the same issue with his packs.

It seems to be fixed now

sadgrub

11:08

I'll look into it hopefully tomorrow

11:09

I'm fixing something else tonight and tomorrow

Hi, so I'm trying to save packs to a different folder than they are saving to by default - they're saving to my OneDrive for some reason and I use that specifically for work - is there an easy way to change the save path that I'm not seeing?

unsupported

12:37

is your documents folder mapped to your work one drive?

Yeah it is, I guess I could change that to be mapped to my C drive doc folder.

I will consider adding an option to change the directory

12:38

but it will likely have to be a registry setting

Yeah, oh well that's for letting me know. I'll just change my default save place for now since I don't really default things to my One Drive right now anyway.

As a general rule, unrelated to tracker stuff - I wouldn't recommend using things like work one drive documents backup (etc.) on your personal account

12:39

it's really really easy to cross-pollinate things, which can actually get both you and your employer in trouble

Ah well I'm just a teacher - I just fill up my one drive with lecture slides and worksheets, all made by me for me and owned by me.

12:44

I use the tracker on my main desktop usually, but I wanted to play some OoT Rando on my laptop which I use almost exclusively for work is why I had the issue in the first place - and it's fixed now, just changed the default document folder in my reg.

gotcha

12:45

FYI, if you changed the default document folder, next time you restart the tracker, it will likely start using that folder

12:45

because we use the system path for that

Yep I started it to double check - I moved my saved packs to the new doc folder and it opened the packs automatically. So it's working nicely!

a better solution is to not use OneDrive sync for your documents folder, or add a sync exclusion (if they support that) for Documents/EmoTracker

12:46

kk

12:46

oh

12:46

I see

12:46

ok

Oh I don't have OneDrive syncing my documents folder, I have a separate folder in OneDrive that I had set to be my default document location, so I just changed that back to my C drive document folder.

yeah, I gotcha now

just don't accidentally change it to C:\Users like @Darkened5ky did 'cause it's a pain to fix (edited)

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Yeah that was a silly thing I did. Still not quite sure how it happened

Hello there! I am not sure where tyo ask this but, I've been watching some streamers and they manage to change the tracker background to different colors or even to be transparent. Can anyone tell me how they do that?

Sure. If you export the tracker layout and/or broadcast layout of the pack you're using and open up the appropriate json, you'll see a field that says something like "background": "#212121". That number is the RGB value of the background color in hexadecimal format. To get a transparent background, you'll want to use a color that isn't used by any of the icons, then use your streaming software to color key it out.

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